Propaganda 13 ch04
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T I The Interview ________________________________________ Who will face the wall this time? Who is interesting enough for you guys? Well, tough question, but as I began to gamble with idea, I realized it'd come better our digging up oldies, having them reflect on today's scene. So I dug, made a few phone calls to some of my old friends, far back. I talked to them, and this one was the first to slip away from my fingers. ________________________________________ P - STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THROUGH YOUR YEARS OF EFFICIENCY. S - First of all, in a way I'm very grateful for being interviewed. In a way it gives me a chance to let out air that I've had with me for a long time. I go by the name, or should I say went by the name MR.PINGE and I have been in a few Swedish groups since my start early 1986. My years of effiency, haha, were during 1986-1989 I guess, and I started as a solo-guy, under my handle, doing small demos that were spread locally. Fortunately, I had good contact with a few im- portant people here in Sweden at that time, and my work was spread nationwide. One day, early 1986 I was located in one of the local computershops, when I saw this suspicious guy trapped over a 128, trying to hide what he was doing. What he actually was doing, was cracking games, right in the store, only to take them home and pollish his work. This was NOBODY, one of the talented crackers at that time. We started talking, and before I knew it, we were starting up a group, a cracking one of course, that was going to be named into WCC - WEST COAST CRACKERS. A very wellknown Swedish group called WASP - WE AGAINST SOFTWARE PRO- TECTION teamed up with us, and all of a sudden names like LANCELOT and SIR GALAHAD were in the group. One of the most active guys in the group, concerning cracking was of course NO.1, who later on became STRIDER of FAIRLIGHT. We were cracking a lot, and TRIAD, the biggest group of all hated us, as we really threatened them. We had a lot of originals, as many of our members were working in computershops throughout Sweden, and we were getting along terribly well with people outside Sweden. Oh boy, I had a great time in WCC, but things came to an end in March 1987 and we shocked the whole country by splitting up into two groups. NO.1 formed FAIRLIGHT (and he in fact made his first cracks for the group under his old handle before changing to STRIDER). Me, I did not join FAIRLIGHT, but I formed RELAX together with JANITOR (who had joined WCC in its latest days). All of a sudden we were competitors with some of our old groupmates, and they were beating us. We were struggling with only one original a month, while FLT seemed to be getting hands on al- most everything being put out. Then JANITOR made the cracks that put us ahead of many, being ROAD RUNNER and THE LAST NINJA, that were considered very good by many. At this time I had gotten myself a modem and I was getting along a lot with the Yanks, that wanted all wares possible. Haha. I re- member JANITOR really hated them Yanks, while I found it pretty funny exchanging wares and so with them. Anyway, we were having a hard time surrviving somehow, while FAIRLIGHT did not. When TRIAD gave us an offer to join, everything seemed to work out. It was pretty strange since TRIAD had been our competitors and enemies during the WCC-days, but it seemed like those days were gone. It might have been an easier way to join one of the biggest groups in the world, but looking back now, I know things couldn't have been done better, so by September 1987 we joined up with TRIAD. Being in TRIAD was fabulous. Not only were they the biggest group in the world but it opened whole new dimensions. I had been coding a lot for both WCC and RELAX, and had put out a few demos, but now I could con- centrate on the modemworld, that was quickly growing. I met a lot of nice people through the modeming, some that I still keep in touch with some that I don't. TRIAD was a dream but when JANITOR decided to leave and did so with a demo put on THE SARGE'S game "Tiger Hell", it some- how lost a lot of the magic for me. Not very long after that, I said farewell to the scene, taking a lot of good memories with me, and apperently putting a name in the history of cracking as I got to do an interview like this 5-6 years later. P - COMPARING THE SCENE YOU EXPERIENCED TO THE ONE OF TODAY, WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT? ________________________________________ S - Oh God, it is pretty hard to com- pare the two entirely different scenes that have appeared. I loved the scene back then. We had a lot of fun, even though things were very primitive. I mean, apart from ILLEGAL there were no other mag- azines, and it was always the event of the month when it showed up. Today's scene seems to have dev- eloped into a more businesslike thing, but it sounds pretty ex- citing with a lot more competition. This fixing-thing and boardstuff was slowly taking shape when I quit, but as it looks now, it is plain fact that a firstreleased game should be working both PAL and NTSC. Also I find it good with a lot of magazine being released. I mean, not only does it cover a lot more of what goes on, but with many magazines, competition will appear and with that, better mag- azines. As I understand it, they are very proffesional and give very accurate looks at the scene. When we were around, we cracked for the mere fun. Sure, we had our quarrels with SCC (SWEDISH CRACKING CREW) and TRIAD, but it was never at a very serious level. Ehrm. It was a naive friendship with a lot of devoted 64-people, and fortunately things worked out very well for us. P - ANY PARTICULAR EVENTS YOU CAME TO MEMORIZE? S - Man, I have tons of memories. Like the one I told you about the guy in the shop. I remember the meetings we had, especially a WCC-SCC-TRIAD meeting Christmas 1986. Everybody was pissing each other off, as the none of the groups liked each other, but still we had a jolly good time. (that is the first time I met you by the way, Per, and that was an event speaking for itself wasn't it? Haha!). After that meeting I sat down for 3 days coding a "FUCK SCC-demo" that featured screens from the cool game "Blood n' guts", where I could chop the heads vis- ually of the members. God, did I laugh doing that! Even though I really liked both WCC and TRIAD, I liked RELAX the most. I mean, RELAX was my group, built up by me and JANITOR and we were doing such a good job. Oh yes, one great memory was when IAN & MIC joined TRIAD, since they were always my favourite demoprogrammers. P - WHAT DO YOU THINK OF TODAY'S TRIAD AND FAIRLIGHT, CONSIDERING THE ORIGINS OF THE GROUPS? S - I think it is shit that two old names can still be around without the original members. From what I heard STRIDER should still be taking care of FAIRLIGHT on the PC or something, and I guess that is OK, but all these people on the Commodore 64 don't have a clue. I mean perhaps both TRIAD and FLT are doing quite a job, but it is still not what it once was. Funny thing that you tell me, that FAIRLIGHT turned out to become quite some demogroup. I mean back in the early years I remember them only putting out a demo or two from VODOO. P - ANY COMMENTS ON THE AMIGA SCENE AS IT TURNED OUT? S - Yeah, I was very interested on the Amiga, back in the days when they still were producing the Amiga 1OOO. I remember RELAX having an Amiga section back in 1987, and I was pretty impressed with the games I saw. My smaller brother, SNOOKIE, who formed THE SILENTS on the 64 and then brought the group to the Amiga was active quite a while on the machine, and I grew very fond of the demos that were coming out, and I guess they are still im- proving. My brother quit when things got out of hand on the Amiga, and rightly so, as money and all come to corrupt the whole shit. I've been told the PC-scene has become quite some place, bearing resemblence to yesterday's 64- scene, but I doubt I could find anything in it for me now. P - WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDERING DOING A COMEBACK ON THE COMMODORE 64? S - Hell no! As far as I'm concerned I've done my share on that machine, and I probably wouldn't find an empty space for me to fill. I could probably not crack, and I think it'd take some time adapting to the new scene, with all the different rules that are created as time goes by. I'd probably just be another old veteran coming back for people to look up to, and that is not really edible in my eyes. I was considering doing a comeback back in 1989, as many were pushing me to do so. (thanks Per!) When NOSAH published it in IGUANA that I was thinking of putting RELAX back together, I somehow lost track of the project and never let it see light of day. P - WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE YOU CON- SIDERED GOOD BACK THEN? ANYONE PARTICULAR? S - Well, I remember a lot of good friends that meant a lot to me. SNOKIE+DEZED+NEWSCOPY/THE SILENTS, ARTWORX, HONEY/1001, NSC (NON STOP CRACKER), THE LIGHT CIRCLE!, IAN&MIC, ALL IN THE SUPPLY TEAM, PLUTONIUM CRACKERS, SODAN/TFC (Heard he is programming games for the Megadrive in the USA), MATCHAM/NETWORK(Great Crunchers!), EXPLORERS, COMMANDO FRONTIER (Somebody say hi to Madall!), THE PAPILLIONS, JUST ICE+NIK/IKARI, RED SECTOR, MR.Z, all in WCC and of course the rest of old TRIAD. Speaking of RED SECTOR, I heard IRATA had returned to the 64. Great! Always nice hearing that old people are coming back. What if I should restart WCC. HAHA. P - ANY LAST WORDS TO THE PEOPLE? S - Not really. Keep up the work and the spirit of the best computer ever made. I'm proud to have been part of it, now take history further. Never get seduced by the Amiga or the PC. The Commodore 64 started it all. ________________________________________ Footnote: MR.PINGE started his career on his own, formed WCC along with WASP and other freaks, then moved on to RELAX and most recently TRIAD as they were the biggest group of all. In Sweden, he, among many of are looked up on as legends that have encouraged the Swedish scene as it is to day, and it is true, that few groups, like WCC have meant so much for the Swedish Hacker Culture. He's made several demos, among those "WCC-demo I-IV" and "FUCK SCC". If you want to obtain these, or simply drop him a letter saying hi, you can do so through me. Address in Editorial.