Brutal Recall 09 ch07

           "VOTES AND CHARTS"

             by tch/brutal!

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i've read myself quite some articles or
  opinions about votes and charts...
  i will now write some text about some
  things i've read...
  also you can find my opinion about
  some REACTIONS you've sent to us!
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you might have read an article about
  the socalled "COUNTRY VOTESHEET" in
  the mag "INTERNAL #12" which was
  written by EINSTEIN of w.o.w.
  he told us about his idea of the
  country-votesheet.
  he said that almost all charts are
  cheated in some way...
  now he got the idea to let every guy
  vote only for guys of the country he
  lives in.
  so he gave the example of belgium...
  "belgian guys can only vote for dudes
   that live in belgium...
   so you can't vote for DOC or CRUSH
   but only for POWERPLANT and other
   belgian guys."
  reason for this idea,was that mostly
  a guy knows what is happening in his
  own country.
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okay,it looked like a very good idea to
  me,while i was reading it.
  but when i thought more about it i
  found out that it's no good at all!
  look,i live in holland.
  can you give me 5 good dutch crackers?
  these are what i could come up with:
  CBA/TRC,C+C/HOTLINE (they stopped!)...
  and that's it!
  okay,i only have 2 dutch contacts at
  the moment,but i saw some dutch cracks
  from other guys,but those were nothing
  special at all.
  the crackergroups are just as bad!
  the only thing the dutch scene is very
  good at is all what's legal!
  we got some of the best artists,like
  HEIN DESIGN,ORC,MIRAGE,REBEL MC...
  some good composers,JEROEN TEL,REYN O.
  we got some nice coders too,but they
  are surtenly not the best!!
  for me it would be impossible to make
  a fair top 5 of every category!
  i have to vote for guys of which i
  don't think they are good at all!!!
  would this be 'fair' voting?
  if i vote for SLASH/BRUTAL as one of
  the best coders while i can't vote for
  FLAMINGO/LIGHT...
  will that be fair?
  nope!!
  the charts will change for sure as the
  country with most scene-guys,like
  germany or denmark,will be highly
  representated in them while countries
  with smaller scenes won't be in by any
  chance!!
  that would for sure make the charts
  worse and not better!!
  and what if a group has members all
  over the globe,like LEGEND!
  they got members in germany,denmark,
  belgium and probably more.
  this way they can get votes in all
  those countries and they will rule for
  sure!!!
  well,i think that were enough other
  details about the 'country votesheet'.
  and i think if you want to make the
  charts more 'fair' that you'll have to
  think of something else than the
  'country votesheet'...
  but if you still think it's a good
  idea then just do it...
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most of the time when you use a disk-
  voter there are allready some names
  printed for which you have to give
  some points. mostly it are about 25
  names of crackergroups which are often
  or always in the charts...
  this is maybe something good as you
  don't have write down the names all by
  yourself,but it also makes it tougher
  for the groups which are not listed to
  enter the charts.
  reason for this is that there's only
  place for about 5 groups of your own
  choise!
  this means it's not possible for you
  to give your own top 10 if it only
  contains unlisted groups.
  this isn't fair either and therefor
  i want to say to all the releasers of
  votesheets (disk or sheet) not to
  write any groupnames in or on them!
  let people make up their own minds
  without seing a couple of famous names
  and give points to groups/people they
  didn't think of voting for anyway.
  i know it's easier for you to count
  the votes,but it's simply not 'fair'!
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in EMANUELLE #7 was in the craptalk
  chapter something about the way to
  count votesheets.
  the guys of WORLDNEWS had attacked
  EMANUELLE by saying they stole their
  counting-method.
  okay,we of BRUTAL RECALL count the
  votes like this...

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number on votesheet:  amount of points:
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         1                   10
         2                    9
         3                    8
         4
         5                    6
         6                    5
                              4
         8                    3
         9                    2
        10                    1
  lower than 10.              0
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  we think this way is most fair!
  i know for sure that lots of other
  magazines count exactly the same as
  we do,but why should we start a war
  against them or say that they stole
  our counting-methods.
  does it really matter how you give
  points???
  as long as you count all votes in the
  same way,the result will be the same
  and points are just there to make it
  easier!!
  but ofcourse you can't give points
  like: #1:100 #2:9 #3:8 #4:7....
  this would more be something to show
  which group was voted most times on
  the number one spot.
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here's a little reaction from REMIX/CLQ.
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please remove the BRUTAL products and
  members from BRUTAL RECALL,as this
  makes the chart section quite
  unobjective.
  you're really successful in all the
  other mags in the scene,so you simply
  don't have to do this!
  please OMIT brutals in your mag.
  just an example: if i let clique
  products and members in SCRIPT,then
  script is #2 mag,i am #1 swapper,
  clique is always in the top 10 in
  demo and crack groups,our demo is in
  top 5 etc.etc...
  i know that this is NOT realistic,so
  i simply omit it!
  please think about it,you'll loose
  nothing,but you'll gain a very big
  thing: objectivity!
  please think about it. nearly NO mag
  does this,so i guess that's something
  logical! anyway,this was just one
  point. the rest of the mag is so
  perfect that i've got nothing else to
  say. much luck in editing,i know,
  your (our) job is very hard!!
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okay,REMIX,thanx for your reaction...
  here's my answer to it...
  r.c.s. and i try to be as objective as
  possible and so we place everybody
  who is being voted for!!!
  (except for some that didn't do shit
   for ages!!)
  now you say we should take all BRUTAL
  products and members out of the charts
  because that is unobjective!?!
  why only the BRUTAL things??
  R.C.S. of LEGEND spreads also lots of
  votesheets so if i will follow your
  advise,i should also omit LEGEND
  members out of the lists!!!
  will this be fair at all?!?!?
  NO WAY! legend is one of the top crack
  groups of the scene!!!
  in some other mags 'BRUTAL' is even
  higher in the charts than in this mag
  so we are unobjective!?
  because we are lower?
  no! (un)objectivity has nothing to do
  with the charts at all...
  it has something to do with the text
  and comments you write to things...
  and not how much text,but how you
  write the text...
  if you can notice from a text that the
  writer dislikes a certain group that
  much then you can tell he's not
  objective... but if we count the vote-
  sheets and print the UNCHEATED
  result,we are UNobjective??
  come on!
  lots of guys spread the votesheet of
  this mag,i wanna thank them for that,
  so it's not only brutal that spreads
  them and lots of guys don't get them
  from brutalers.
  so should we OMIT all the groups of
  which some guys spread our votesheet?
  if we listen to you,we should,as you
  stated that it influences from who you
  got the votesheet,how you fill it in!
  okay,it's up to you for who you vote
  for and for who you don't!
  we won't OMIT anyone that has been
  active and is being voted for!!
  ofcourse there are some asslickers who
  vote for brutal,but i just want to
  tell them that i won't and can't
  remember who voted for us,so you won't
  be treated in any better way than any
  other person!!
  sometimes i get a votesheet on which
  i'm in the swapper-charts while i have
  NEVER swapped with this guy!!
  i surtenly have my feelings about this
  sheet but i'll count it!!
  also friend-policy rules the votesheet
  bussines...
  for instance lots of DUTCH guys voted
  for BURGLAR of SUCCESS in the cracker
  charts while NO FOREIGNER voted for
  him at all!!
  it'll count but i got myself again
  some strange feelings about it!!
  there are also guys that don't want to
  vote for anyone in the "ELITE"....
  this one just votes for the 'lamest'
  things in the scene. okay,it's strange
  but it counts!!
  so you see,the way a chart looks all
  depends on YOU!!
  we just count the votes and make the
  lists but we don't add anything else
  to them!!!
  and as long as you vote for anything
  it will be printed as long as it has
  enough points and has been active!!

sorry for letting me go like this,but i
  simply got so sick of people that tell
  me to erase BRUTAL out of the charts!
  before you say anything again,please
  don't tell that we should take BRUTAL
  out only as LEGEND also takes a big
  (almost the half) of this magazine on
  them!!
  and if you compare our lists with lots
  of other lists you will find out that
  our lists have fucking much incomen
  with them!!
  for the last 3 issues we had more then
  150 votesheets an issue,that means
  it is fucking realistic as lots of
  other mags only have around 50...
  (or even less!!)
  and please note if anyone votes for
  himself or his group it doesn't count!
  just keep this in mind,so you don't
  have to waste your time on faking
  yourself or your group!!

i just want to say to all the voters...
 "think about your votes carefully!!
  compare the releases and abilities of
  the ones you vote for...
  simply don't give a damn about what
  other people will say,just vote for
  the ones you think that are best!!
  especialy we know how important it is
  to remain the identity of voters a
  secret to the rest!!
  simply because it's none of their
  bussines!!!
  don't be afraid to say your opinion
  and stand up for yourself!!!
  ignore the lamers that say that you
  should vote for him or them and do
  what you think is best!!!"
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