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		<title>Ymgve at 16:39, 22 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
         MAG REVIEWS!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   well,feel yourself quite welco-&lt;br /&gt;
med to the 'most hated' chapter in&lt;br /&gt;
our awful mag! as you can read mo-&lt;br /&gt;
re in the'self defense' part, some&lt;br /&gt;
of our friends didn't like the th-&lt;br /&gt;
ings i've said here but here i wa-&lt;br /&gt;
nt to express one thing in the cl-&lt;br /&gt;
earest way possible.&lt;br /&gt;
   the comments i make to the mags&lt;br /&gt;
i review,reflect mostly my person-&lt;br /&gt;
al ideas and you certainly do not&lt;br /&gt;
have to like it,but you also have&lt;br /&gt;
to understand that i'm trying to&lt;br /&gt;
judge my values in the closest way&lt;br /&gt;
to that of the scene,the majority.&lt;br /&gt;
for example,the mags are expected&lt;br /&gt;
to be userfriendly right? so if i&lt;br /&gt;
see that the mag is hard to use,t-&lt;br /&gt;
hen i critisize it with a negative&lt;br /&gt;
comment.there's also a very impor-&lt;br /&gt;
tant thing also named as  'object-&lt;br /&gt;
ivity' and people mostly do not&lt;br /&gt;
know what it is.&lt;br /&gt;
   OBJECTIVITY in the philisophic&lt;br /&gt;
meaning is the way of the mind th-&lt;br /&gt;
at is NOT based on the PERSONAL&lt;br /&gt;
VALUES of one but on the nature&lt;br /&gt;
of that subject.let's clear this&lt;br /&gt;
with an example:&lt;br /&gt;
   if you say:&lt;br /&gt;
   'the chapter names in the mag&lt;br /&gt;
are shown with an upscroll,and th-&lt;br /&gt;
at's cool...'&lt;br /&gt;
   you must see that the the part&lt;br /&gt;
before the coma is OBJECTIVE beca-&lt;br /&gt;
use it tells how it is,and everybo&lt;br /&gt;
dy who knows what an upscroll  is,&lt;br /&gt;
will tell you that the chapters of&lt;br /&gt;
the mag are shown with an upscroll&lt;br /&gt;
there.but the part after the coma,&lt;br /&gt;
is SUBJECTIVE,because it reflects&lt;br /&gt;
a personal value,and not everybody&lt;br /&gt;
will think that it is cool.got th-&lt;br /&gt;
at?&lt;br /&gt;
   another point,i've also  menti-&lt;br /&gt;
oned something above,'idea of the&lt;br /&gt;
majority'.well,that's usually a&lt;br /&gt;
guide to prevent being more subje-&lt;br /&gt;
ctive,but the idea of the majority&lt;br /&gt;
is most of the time a subject to&lt;br /&gt;
controversy.when you say 'the maj-&lt;br /&gt;
orty thinks that way' someone else&lt;br /&gt;
may come up and refuse 'no, major-&lt;br /&gt;
ity things this way'.&lt;br /&gt;
   so again,whenever  you give yo-&lt;br /&gt;
ur personal comment about somethi-&lt;br /&gt;
ng,(doesn't matter if you're right&lt;br /&gt;
or not),you behave objective...&lt;br /&gt;
   so dear remix of clique,the ed-&lt;br /&gt;
itor of script,before saying words&lt;br /&gt;
like '...i'm leaving my objectivi-&lt;br /&gt;
ty for the first time,' make more&lt;br /&gt;
investigation about what the thing&lt;br /&gt;
you are talking about is.a referc.&lt;br /&gt;
for you:&amp;quot;nesnel,-lik;turk dil kuru&lt;br /&gt;
mu,turkce sozluk,yeni baski,cilt2,&lt;br /&gt;
syf1083,felsefik)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   of course there isn't a rule t-&lt;br /&gt;
hat the computer mags should be&lt;br /&gt;
objective.and i'm not blaming any-&lt;br /&gt;
body that they are not.because,al-&lt;br /&gt;
though we try to,we are not also a&lt;br /&gt;
hundred percent objective(70-80 i&lt;br /&gt;
think) because we also make a lot&lt;br /&gt;
of personal comments as well.still&lt;br /&gt;
we at least do not take any sides&lt;br /&gt;
and the objectivity comes out in&lt;br /&gt;
reviews and articles all the time.&lt;br /&gt;
(how objective a review or a criti&lt;br /&gt;
sizm can be,has always been a sub-&lt;br /&gt;
ject to controversy,and we aren't&lt;br /&gt;
the ones to achieve this,ok?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   the last thing;this chapter is&lt;br /&gt;
not something so serious,and you&lt;br /&gt;
should not take it hard as the way&lt;br /&gt;
internal'ers did.it reflects most-&lt;br /&gt;
ly my personal ideas,and even if&lt;br /&gt;
you don't like them,you have to&lt;br /&gt;
show some kind of respect.&lt;br /&gt;
   this world lacks peace because&lt;br /&gt;
people do not respect each other,&lt;br /&gt;
each other's ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   anyway,enough crap about the&lt;br /&gt;
matter.let's go on with the bizz.&lt;br /&gt;
the mags reviewed for this issue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   -inquiry 1 from elysium&lt;br /&gt;
   -nitro 9 from excess&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   again only two mags,but they&lt;br /&gt;
took lotsa place to review...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
        INQUIRY ISSUE 1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   huh,i'll shed a tear now.people&lt;br /&gt;
are getting irritated from my  re-&lt;br /&gt;
views and zore/elysium is asking&lt;br /&gt;
me to review his mag that he could&lt;br /&gt;
see if he makes any mistakes.were&lt;br /&gt;
there still people left in this s-&lt;br /&gt;
cene that could take some critisi-&lt;br /&gt;
zm? surprising...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   anyway,the mag does not have an&lt;br /&gt;
intro but a text screen which  you&lt;br /&gt;
can escape easily.&lt;br /&gt;
   OUTFIT:well,there's an inquiry&lt;br /&gt;
logo down,in rasters.a row over it&lt;br /&gt;
will show da total number of pages&lt;br /&gt;
in the chapters when loaded,the no&lt;br /&gt;
of the current page and the number&lt;br /&gt;
of the current music.&lt;br /&gt;
   over the logo,you see the chap-&lt;br /&gt;
ter names that are loaded with the&lt;br /&gt;
keys stated aside.there are around&lt;br /&gt;
24 chapters and they fill all the&lt;br /&gt;
space there.that looks like script&lt;br /&gt;
a bit...&lt;br /&gt;
    when you load the chapter  by&lt;br /&gt;
pressing the key,it's loaded with&lt;br /&gt;
an irq loader and the text screen&lt;br /&gt;
appears in the same place as the&lt;br /&gt;
chapter names.that looks like bru-&lt;br /&gt;
tal recall...the texts are displa-&lt;br /&gt;
yed with proportional chars like&lt;br /&gt;
the way in shock.you skip pages&lt;br /&gt;
with +,- or the joystick.also you&lt;br /&gt;
can load anew music by f7...&lt;br /&gt;
   well,the outfit is a mixture of&lt;br /&gt;
script,shock and brutal recall but&lt;br /&gt;
who does care so much? it's rather&lt;br /&gt;
userfriendly and easy to read.&lt;br /&gt;
   one very little point should be&lt;br /&gt;
taken under considiration:the name&lt;br /&gt;
of the chapter is shown right upon&lt;br /&gt;
the page with the same chars and&lt;br /&gt;
this causes an interruption while&lt;br /&gt;
carrying on reading from one page&lt;br /&gt;
to another.the fly is small,but it&lt;br /&gt;
is disgusting...&lt;br /&gt;
                         %90&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   TEXT: another positive side wi-&lt;br /&gt;
th the mag.there're lots of things&lt;br /&gt;
to read here man...there are chap-&lt;br /&gt;
ters with subjects that might be&lt;br /&gt;
interesting for different people,&lt;br /&gt;
and the amount of crap is adjusted&lt;br /&gt;
quite good as well.anyway,totally&lt;br /&gt;
cool ESPECIALLY for a first issue!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                        %90&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   ORIGINALITY:shit,again the same&lt;br /&gt;
subject,but i'll have 2 talk still&lt;br /&gt;
a bit more.&lt;br /&gt;
    in fact the name of the edito-&lt;br /&gt;
rial explains the way zore wants&lt;br /&gt;
to make the mag:'my mag,my castle'&lt;br /&gt;
in the editorial,he says that he's&lt;br /&gt;
not interested in being objective,&lt;br /&gt;
as he has opinions and he wants to&lt;br /&gt;
express them.(so we've no ideas?)&lt;br /&gt;
   i will never understand why mo-&lt;br /&gt;
re and more people are doing mags&lt;br /&gt;
and try hard to put their own per-&lt;br /&gt;
sonality in there.my understanding&lt;br /&gt;
of making a mag is quite different&lt;br /&gt;
and i still miss the old days that&lt;br /&gt;
corruption editors said:&amp;quot;we can't&lt;br /&gt;
comment on that as we have to be&lt;br /&gt;
an objective mag&amp;quot;.is a mag the  p-&lt;br /&gt;
lace to show one's,especially the&lt;br /&gt;
editor's personal views? what will&lt;br /&gt;
happen if everyone that wants to&lt;br /&gt;
show himself make a mag?&lt;br /&gt;
   well,you have the right to make&lt;br /&gt;
mags a toy for yourselves,but i'll&lt;br /&gt;
keep on looking for objectivity!&lt;br /&gt;
do you wonder why? then note this:&lt;br /&gt;
 SUBJECTIVENESS IS THE EASIER WAY!&lt;br /&gt;
(that was for everybody!)&lt;br /&gt;
   okey,keep on doing the mag as&lt;br /&gt;
you want    to make,but please do&lt;br /&gt;
not get angry with me when i don't&lt;br /&gt;
like it...&lt;br /&gt;
                            %50&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   GRAPHICS: there's just one logo&lt;br /&gt;
and it looked quite look.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                            %85&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   MUSICS:wow,all the musics were&lt;br /&gt;
made by elysium members and they&lt;br /&gt;
were pretty cool!!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                            %95&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    well,i should say that inquiry&lt;br /&gt;
no 1 is a really very good start!&lt;br /&gt;
the dudes in elysium made a very&lt;br /&gt;
good preparation and tried to make&lt;br /&gt;
a mag that had everything needed&lt;br /&gt;
and in my opinion they achieved it&lt;br /&gt;
with the first issue.i don't have&lt;br /&gt;
a slightest doubt that inquiry'll&lt;br /&gt;
get into the top ten quickly.&lt;br /&gt;
   but though,it would be much be-&lt;br /&gt;
tter if they tried to make a more&lt;br /&gt;
original outfit as this one looks&lt;br /&gt;
like the mixture of three mags.&lt;br /&gt;
well,i don't think that this  is&lt;br /&gt;
something that can cause trouble&lt;br /&gt;
as zore mentioned(with shock) but&lt;br /&gt;
where's creativity gone?&lt;br /&gt;
   many mag editors get very spoi-&lt;br /&gt;
led when they reach a certain suc-&lt;br /&gt;
cess and zore has the potential 4&lt;br /&gt;
that.i hope that this friendly ma-&lt;br /&gt;
te won't turn out to be somewhat&lt;br /&gt;
big-nosed mr.smart...please don't!&lt;br /&gt;
and,try to think more about objec-&lt;br /&gt;
tivity...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
     90+90+50+85+95/5&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
             =%85 for overall!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
        NITRO ISSUE 9&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   the mags's intro is quite a ve-&lt;br /&gt;
ry simple one,a colourful  logo up&lt;br /&gt;
and some scrollers down.nothing s-&lt;br /&gt;
pecial at all...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   OUTFIT: there's a very typical&lt;br /&gt;
logo with the label 'nitro' and&lt;br /&gt;
under that a dynamite fuse takes&lt;br /&gt;
place and the chapter names are p-&lt;br /&gt;
resented in the box under that...&lt;br /&gt;
there're two bombs by them with&lt;br /&gt;
the label 'tnt'.quite a good con-&lt;br /&gt;
cept in fact,but the screen looks&lt;br /&gt;
quite empty here...&lt;br /&gt;
   the chapters are loaded with an&lt;br /&gt;
irq loader and then a text screen&lt;br /&gt;
appears.&lt;br /&gt;
   there's a mountain scene upon&lt;br /&gt;
the page and the texts upscroll&lt;br /&gt;
under that.quite a typical style.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                       %75&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   TEXT: well,sad to say,but there&lt;br /&gt;
wasn't enough text in the mag to&lt;br /&gt;
read and it didn't take my 10 min-&lt;br /&gt;
utes to read it all... i think th-&lt;br /&gt;
ey should try to put more work in-&lt;br /&gt;
to that with some interesting cha-&lt;br /&gt;
pters,new ideas etc...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                       % 65&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   OBJECTIVITY:a very positive si-&lt;br /&gt;
de with the mag! they stayed quite&lt;br /&gt;
objective even through the reviews&lt;br /&gt;
and there weren't much  personali-&lt;br /&gt;
ties being showed off...nice!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                        %90&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   GRAPHICS: most of the graphics&lt;br /&gt;
were painted by excess members and&lt;br /&gt;
they weren't that bad anyway...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                        % 75&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   MUSICS: there are only two  mu-&lt;br /&gt;
sics,one in the main menu and the&lt;br /&gt;
other in the text screen but i got&lt;br /&gt;
bored quite easily,in a very short&lt;br /&gt;
time...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                        % 70&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    well,all in all,nitro isn't a&lt;br /&gt;
superb magazine at all but the du-&lt;br /&gt;
des at least try to make something&lt;br /&gt;
good and they also want to stay&lt;br /&gt;
objective without trying make the&lt;br /&gt;
mag a show off stage for themsel-&lt;br /&gt;
ves.all they need is some more de-&lt;br /&gt;
sign for the outfit and more inte-&lt;br /&gt;
resing text to read.that's my opi-&lt;br /&gt;
nion...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
      %(75+65+90+75+70)/5&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
               = % 75&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
            for overall!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well,that was all for this issue's&lt;br /&gt;
reviews.i think there isn't much&lt;br /&gt;
space left around here so i'll end&lt;br /&gt;
with the general rankings...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  1.immortal flash 15........%90&lt;br /&gt;
  2.update 7.................%85&lt;br /&gt;
   .inquiry 1................%85&lt;br /&gt;
  4.impulse 2................%83&lt;br /&gt;
  5.scene observer 2.........%78&lt;br /&gt;
  6.comic pirates 3..........%76&lt;br /&gt;
  7.nitro 9..................%75&lt;br /&gt;
   .tele 64 1................%75&lt;br /&gt;
  9.newspress................%65&lt;br /&gt;
 10.internal 15..............%58&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   anyway,you must've got tired of&lt;br /&gt;
it but i want to repeat again.you&lt;br /&gt;
should be grown up enough to take&lt;br /&gt;
critisizms! all those reviews ref-&lt;br /&gt;
lect my personal views and you've&lt;br /&gt;
to live without it okey,you can't&lt;br /&gt;
change that!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    so long,that was all for this&lt;br /&gt;
time.if you want to get your mags&lt;br /&gt;
reviewed(?) then send them to:&lt;br /&gt;
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                the boss/accuracy!&lt;br /&gt;
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