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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   stop spreading originals and&lt;br /&gt;
          then what...?!?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   hey friends,here i am with you,&lt;br /&gt;
with another opinion poll type&lt;br /&gt;
corner.this time i won't directly&lt;br /&gt;
write an article on a subject but&lt;br /&gt;
i'll say my thoughts about an ar-&lt;br /&gt;
ticle which was published in anot-&lt;br /&gt;
her mag.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   the article i'm talking about&lt;br /&gt;
is the one which was was written&lt;br /&gt;
by REMIX/CLIQUE in SCRIPT #14,re-&lt;br /&gt;
leated with not spreading the ori-&lt;br /&gt;
ginals.yes,i think all of you re-&lt;br /&gt;
membered it.dear remix wrote his&lt;br /&gt;
ideas in this article and asked to&lt;br /&gt;
stop original spreading.as  this&lt;br /&gt;
world is a free one everyone can&lt;br /&gt;
easily say his thoughts to every-&lt;br /&gt;
body.after reading it,some thought&lt;br /&gt;
appeared in my mind and now i want&lt;br /&gt;
to tell them to you.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   first of all,i want to start&lt;br /&gt;
with a summary of remix's article.&lt;br /&gt;
he wrote that there are two kinds&lt;br /&gt;
of cracking groups.the dependent&lt;br /&gt;
and independent ones.if the inde-&lt;br /&gt;
pendent big names of cracking stop&lt;br /&gt;
spreading originals then there're&lt;br /&gt;
two ways for the others.one  of&lt;br /&gt;
them is start producing demos,ga-&lt;br /&gt;
mes and stop cracking.and the ot-&lt;br /&gt;
her one is to buy the originals&lt;br /&gt;
from the company.this second way&lt;br /&gt;
will be a profit for the companies&lt;br /&gt;
and the first one will set groups&lt;br /&gt;
a course which is being more crea-&lt;br /&gt;
tive.with this method the several&lt;br /&gt;
versions of the same game  will&lt;br /&gt;
decrease and it will be just like&lt;br /&gt;
amiga-scene,a too less amount of&lt;br /&gt;
versions of a game.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   after this summary i think i&lt;br /&gt;
can start with it now.yes,as you&lt;br /&gt;
see this was another article which&lt;br /&gt;
was complaining about too  much&lt;br /&gt;
cracking and recommending another&lt;br /&gt;
solution to this problem.up to now&lt;br /&gt;
i have read too many articles that&lt;br /&gt;
say the cracking is giving harm to&lt;br /&gt;
this scene and the only way for o-&lt;br /&gt;
ur scene to survive is the legal&lt;br /&gt;
scene.in all of these articles the&lt;br /&gt;
main idea is to stop cracking the-&lt;br /&gt;
se one-filed games and start co-&lt;br /&gt;
ding something.but some others al-&lt;br /&gt;
so wrote some more articles which&lt;br /&gt;
say that cracking is the cause of&lt;br /&gt;
starting of this scene and this&lt;br /&gt;
scene will survive until the com-&lt;br /&gt;
panies stop producing new games.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   here i don't want to discuss&lt;br /&gt;
this point too much but i want to&lt;br /&gt;
mention something.i'm not sure but&lt;br /&gt;
eh..i think it was in BR.RECALL,&lt;br /&gt;
yes if i am not mistaken i read an&lt;br /&gt;
article which was talking about a&lt;br /&gt;
point which cracking gives harm to&lt;br /&gt;
the scene.the reason was that lots&lt;br /&gt;
of groups crack and spread their&lt;br /&gt;
crax everywhere.then little kids&lt;br /&gt;
could easily get these crax  and&lt;br /&gt;
don't pay anymore on originals.so&lt;br /&gt;
companies slowly stop releasing&lt;br /&gt;
new games as they can't get a nice&lt;br /&gt;
profit.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   yes,i think this is right.most&lt;br /&gt;
group spread their cracks to their&lt;br /&gt;
contacts and also to the guys who&lt;br /&gt;
are living in the same town,city&lt;br /&gt;
or country.so the selling-rate of&lt;br /&gt;
the originals decreases immediatly&lt;br /&gt;
software companies try their chan-&lt;br /&gt;
ces with new games but they every&lt;br /&gt;
time see the risks.so they either&lt;br /&gt;
decrease their amount of new games&lt;br /&gt;
or start to produce low budget ga-&lt;br /&gt;
mes which don't need too much time&lt;br /&gt;
and money to produce and which al-&lt;br /&gt;
so cost not too much for the cus-&lt;br /&gt;
tomers.but this time what happens?&lt;br /&gt;
because of the bad quality of the&lt;br /&gt;
games,the number of the volunteers&lt;br /&gt;
of these games are decreases.noone&lt;br /&gt;
interested in the c64 as they see&lt;br /&gt;
the products in amiga or in pc.so&lt;br /&gt;
i think we must stop spreading the&lt;br /&gt;
crax to the everyone we know.OFCOZ&lt;br /&gt;
we must spread it to the sceners,&lt;br /&gt;
what's the aim of the cracking!but&lt;br /&gt;
i think we musn't spread it to all&lt;br /&gt;
the guys near us in our  living&lt;br /&gt;
place.as you see i'm completely&lt;br /&gt;
agree with the article in the br.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   now we have came to the MAIN&lt;br /&gt;
thing that i want to talk about in&lt;br /&gt;
this chapter.i have made an intro-&lt;br /&gt;
duction with the summaries of the&lt;br /&gt;
articles up to today and now  i&lt;br /&gt;
want to comment on remix's article&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   at first i must say that i ag-&lt;br /&gt;
ree that there are two kinds of&lt;br /&gt;
cracking groups.the big names of&lt;br /&gt;
cracking who can supply themselves&lt;br /&gt;
the newest originals by the help&lt;br /&gt;
of their members or friends in the&lt;br /&gt;
software companies and the ones&lt;br /&gt;
who are dependent to these big na-&lt;br /&gt;
mes.everybody knows the importance&lt;br /&gt;
of the first releases in the crack&lt;br /&gt;
scene.so the dependent groups have&lt;br /&gt;
no chance to make a first release.&lt;br /&gt;
we can see its effect so easily in&lt;br /&gt;
the charts as we can't see the de-&lt;br /&gt;
pended groups in the first places&lt;br /&gt;
of the charts.it's so normal.but&lt;br /&gt;
what these groups try to enter the&lt;br /&gt;
charts? they try to crack quality&lt;br /&gt;
as their only chance is this to&lt;br /&gt;
enter the charts.so most of the&lt;br /&gt;
time first-releases aren't the o-&lt;br /&gt;
nes that have the most quality.af-&lt;br /&gt;
ter you wait for a week or so from&lt;br /&gt;
the first release of a game,you&lt;br /&gt;
can easily find a better version&lt;br /&gt;
of this game.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   i think i'm a right person to&lt;br /&gt;
write such an article as ACCURACY&lt;br /&gt;
is a depended  cracking group.no,&lt;br /&gt;
as you know we AREN'T only a crack&lt;br /&gt;
group but also a demo group too.&lt;br /&gt;
some of you may be ask us why we&lt;br /&gt;
are cracking although we are de-&lt;br /&gt;
pendent in cracking.its  answer is&lt;br /&gt;
simple.the only reason for us to&lt;br /&gt;
be dependent in cracking is that&lt;br /&gt;
there is no software companies in&lt;br /&gt;
turkiye.yes,if you don't have a&lt;br /&gt;
company for c64 in your country&lt;br /&gt;
then this means that you don't ha-&lt;br /&gt;
ve a chance to make a first relea-&lt;br /&gt;
se and you are dependent to the o-&lt;br /&gt;
riginals that are sended by your&lt;br /&gt;
friends in other countries.we are&lt;br /&gt;
now the only group in turkiye&lt;br /&gt;
which is alive for 4 years in the&lt;br /&gt;
c64 scene.up to this time we rele-&lt;br /&gt;
ased some demos in which there we-&lt;br /&gt;
re cool routines and gfx,we are&lt;br /&gt;
trying to release a quality maga-&lt;br /&gt;
zine(guess what's it,heh he!) and&lt;br /&gt;
of'course we want to take a place&lt;br /&gt;
in cracking scene.it has a special&lt;br /&gt;
reason.we are the only cracking&lt;br /&gt;
group ever in turkiye and we want&lt;br /&gt;
to represent turkiye also in crac-&lt;br /&gt;
king.our only aim is to represent&lt;br /&gt;
as i have said although the lots&lt;br /&gt;
of problems we faced with.of'coz&lt;br /&gt;
everybody can discuss our cracks&lt;br /&gt;
speed or quality but we try to do&lt;br /&gt;
the best we can do with the speed&lt;br /&gt;
and the quality.and i don't think&lt;br /&gt;
that we are too bad.but this is&lt;br /&gt;
not the thing that i wanna say.now&lt;br /&gt;
i want from you something.please&lt;br /&gt;
just yourself in a scene in which&lt;br /&gt;
there is nothing called as origi-&lt;br /&gt;
nal swapping.please go on reading&lt;br /&gt;
and i want to show you some facts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   you want to continue cracking&lt;br /&gt;
but you can't find originals from&lt;br /&gt;
swapping.then what will happen?&lt;br /&gt;
of'course you will try to find the&lt;br /&gt;
new ways of getting the originals.&lt;br /&gt;
one of your chance is buying them.&lt;br /&gt;
buying them but from where? from&lt;br /&gt;
the company or from an independent&lt;br /&gt;
ruling cracking group? yes,don't&lt;br /&gt;
say me that independent groups&lt;br /&gt;
won't sell any games to other guys&lt;br /&gt;
i'm sure they will.you can see its&lt;br /&gt;
example in our current scene,just&lt;br /&gt;
look to the original selling ser-&lt;br /&gt;
vice of red sector inc today.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   in a scene like we image,these&lt;br /&gt;
big names will sell their origis&lt;br /&gt;
after they have first-released it.&lt;br /&gt;
why not selling? who can  reject&lt;br /&gt;
the offers of money? everyone in&lt;br /&gt;
this scene wants to have a money&lt;br /&gt;
supply for the requirements of his&lt;br /&gt;
group.so the trade starts immedi-&lt;br /&gt;
atly.it's for sure that these gro-&lt;br /&gt;
ups will offer their customers a&lt;br /&gt;
lower prize from the companies.be-&lt;br /&gt;
cause all the money they get will&lt;br /&gt;
be a profit for them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   yes,we have looked to the point&lt;br /&gt;
from the side of selling.now let's&lt;br /&gt;
look from the customers position.&lt;br /&gt;
of'course there will be some guys&lt;br /&gt;
who buy these originals? why not&lt;br /&gt;
buying? this is the only way,pri-&lt;br /&gt;
zes are not high as the companies,&lt;br /&gt;
buying the originals from these&lt;br /&gt;
groups will be more faster  than&lt;br /&gt;
buying it from a shop.all things&lt;br /&gt;
are more available than buying it&lt;br /&gt;
from a company.so the money will&lt;br /&gt;
flow to these ruling groups and&lt;br /&gt;
not to the companies.so it won't&lt;br /&gt;
be a profit for the software pro-&lt;br /&gt;
ductors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   also that's not all the things&lt;br /&gt;
that could happen.more will follow&lt;br /&gt;
that.just like a thing like that&lt;br /&gt;
will probably happen.the group XXX&lt;br /&gt;
starts selling to originals with a&lt;br /&gt;
cool speed.then the group YYY sees&lt;br /&gt;
that xxx are earning very good sa-&lt;br /&gt;
lary so they also immediatly try&lt;br /&gt;
to get the customers of xxx.what's&lt;br /&gt;
the way of it? perhaps,they will&lt;br /&gt;
try to sell more hotter originals.&lt;br /&gt;
or may be they decrease their pri-&lt;br /&gt;
zes of originals.so some customers&lt;br /&gt;
normally leave xxx alone and start&lt;br /&gt;
to trade with the group yyy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   when xxx sees that this move&lt;br /&gt;
from yyy,what will they do? of'coz&lt;br /&gt;
they will start some rumours  or&lt;br /&gt;
argues or even start a war against&lt;br /&gt;
the group yyy.so we come to  the&lt;br /&gt;
beginning of a scene in which no-&lt;br /&gt;
body loves nobody.why nobody?beca-&lt;br /&gt;
use although at first the depen-&lt;br /&gt;
dent group think that buying ori-&lt;br /&gt;
ginals are available,but by time&lt;br /&gt;
frienship between the two sides a-&lt;br /&gt;
re waste anyway because it's no&lt;br /&gt;
doubt that when money incomes in a&lt;br /&gt;
relationship then the releations&lt;br /&gt;
immediatly becomes chilly.at the&lt;br /&gt;
end we reach to a scene in which&lt;br /&gt;
everyone can do everything to gain&lt;br /&gt;
a profit from something.i'm sure&lt;br /&gt;
that too much bad things will hap-&lt;br /&gt;
pen.guys may be do some unfriendly&lt;br /&gt;
behaviours to their group members&lt;br /&gt;
too.yes,the money could easily ru-&lt;br /&gt;
in the friendship.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   would all of these worth fri-&lt;br /&gt;
endship? i mean of'coz the amounts&lt;br /&gt;
of cracks will not much as like in&lt;br /&gt;
current scene but it's for sure&lt;br /&gt;
that the frienship will not be li-&lt;br /&gt;
ke that too.what will you prefer?&lt;br /&gt;
the decreased cracks or the friend&lt;br /&gt;
ship?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   let's give another event that&lt;br /&gt;
can take place in such a scene.in&lt;br /&gt;
this scene big groups will spread&lt;br /&gt;
their cracks while dependent ones&lt;br /&gt;
will spread their demos,mags or&lt;br /&gt;
etc.of'course there will be lots&lt;br /&gt;
of friendships between the swap&lt;br /&gt;
partners.just think two of them.&lt;br /&gt;
x is a member of a ruling cracker&lt;br /&gt;
group and y is a member of the ot-&lt;br /&gt;
her group.x and y are good friends&lt;br /&gt;
and in every letter their friend-&lt;br /&gt;
ship goes on or even increases.one&lt;br /&gt;
day y wants to crack again so he&lt;br /&gt;
wants some originals from x.what&lt;br /&gt;
will x do? at first he will refuse&lt;br /&gt;
his friend y but he also won't be&lt;br /&gt;
happy for that.then after some ti-&lt;br /&gt;
me y wants origis again.this time&lt;br /&gt;
what happens.to decrease or end&lt;br /&gt;
the sadness on himself,x sends so-&lt;br /&gt;
me origis to y.but he asks from y&lt;br /&gt;
not to say it to anyone or spread&lt;br /&gt;
it around.y agrees this as the ga-&lt;br /&gt;
ined what he want.but it is also&lt;br /&gt;
obvious that this secret will not&lt;br /&gt;
live so long.one day will come and&lt;br /&gt;
everything will be understood.so&lt;br /&gt;
think about what would you do if&lt;br /&gt;
you have a member who spread ori-&lt;br /&gt;
ginals without saying to you.sure&lt;br /&gt;
your releations will effected so&lt;br /&gt;
badly and the frienship again des-&lt;br /&gt;
troyed because of such silly ori-&lt;br /&gt;
ginals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   may be you will say that i'm&lt;br /&gt;
too dramatic.may be i am but i'm&lt;br /&gt;
also sure that such things i have&lt;br /&gt;
talked about will happen.also an-&lt;br /&gt;
other point which i have not men-&lt;br /&gt;
tioned.may be some guys will fall&lt;br /&gt;
into a depression for not being&lt;br /&gt;
able to find the originals.so per-&lt;br /&gt;
haps they will satisfy themselves&lt;br /&gt;
with recracking and ripping,who&lt;br /&gt;
knows?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   at last i want to say my conc-&lt;br /&gt;
lusion.i'm sorry that i also spent&lt;br /&gt;
lots of words as i have started&lt;br /&gt;
with a general review but i think&lt;br /&gt;
i made you to think about some mo-&lt;br /&gt;
re points.i don't think that it's&lt;br /&gt;
a good idea for our scene's survi-&lt;br /&gt;
ve,to stop spreading originals.if&lt;br /&gt;
you ask me which scene would you&lt;br /&gt;
prefer,i will give my answer   as&lt;br /&gt;
today's scene without thinking.be-&lt;br /&gt;
cause although several versions of&lt;br /&gt;
the same game arrive my post-box,&lt;br /&gt;
although the shitty games i got,&lt;br /&gt;
although there are too much crack&lt;br /&gt;
groups in our scene,one thing is&lt;br /&gt;
clear so bright.and this's is:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
     i love this scene all!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   and i will fight till its end&lt;br /&gt;
to all kind of enemies that could&lt;br /&gt;
easily give harm to this scene.all&lt;br /&gt;
of the sceners aim must be trying&lt;br /&gt;
to create a better scene without&lt;br /&gt;
causing any harm.this must be our&lt;br /&gt;
DUTY! nothing else.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                   signed:falcon&lt;br /&gt;
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