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		<title>Ymgve at 15:28, 25 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;         rrr says / 64 vs amiga&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- --- -------------------- --- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
direct style copy - first blood / part 2&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- --- -------------------- --- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
after reading &amp;quot;the pulse march&amp;quot; i get&lt;br /&gt;
more and more the feeling that the gfx&lt;br /&gt;
review of coma light 11 in &amp;quot;the pulse&lt;br /&gt;
february&amp;quot; is personal attack against me.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
he based his entire argumentation on the&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;bonus&amp;quot; logo that was no part of &amp;quot;coma&lt;br /&gt;
light 11&amp;quot;! it was only enclosed for my&lt;br /&gt;
very own contacts to show them that i'm&lt;br /&gt;
not only swapping but still painting and&lt;br /&gt;
that was a reason for this graphic re-&lt;br /&gt;
viewer of the pulse to attack me.&lt;br /&gt;
he said that i've copied the &amp;quot;elite&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
charset idea from &amp;quot;dutch breeze/bml&amp;quot; but&lt;br /&gt;
that isn't true at all. i've got the&lt;br /&gt;
idea when i was reading old magazines&lt;br /&gt;
and found an &amp;quot;elite&amp;quot; advertisement page&lt;br /&gt;
in &amp;quot;zzap 64&amp;quot;, maybe black mail had a si-&lt;br /&gt;
milar source. without any doubts bml has&lt;br /&gt;
done it some years earlier (1,5 years).&lt;br /&gt;
you're attacking this policy you have to&lt;br /&gt;
rag about all graphicians in the scene&lt;br /&gt;
that convert graphics from fantasy or&lt;br /&gt;
airbrush artists like e.x. boris vallejo&lt;br /&gt;
got that point?&lt;br /&gt;
do you remember the picture showing some&lt;br /&gt;
mermaids painted from oxidy for &amp;quot;the&lt;br /&gt;
party iii&amp;quot;? carrion painted a similar&lt;br /&gt;
one (a by far much better one). and the&lt;br /&gt;
source is once again boris vallejo.&lt;br /&gt;
about this pictures i haven't found&lt;br /&gt;
style copy critism. strange!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
it would be nice if you would judge all&lt;br /&gt;
artists on an equal way not depending on&lt;br /&gt;
their sources (the eastern scene deser-&lt;br /&gt;
ves much more attention as there are&lt;br /&gt;
many great talents).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i still have to apology for using the 16&lt;br /&gt;
from commodore given colours on this&lt;br /&gt;
machine, blackmail has used them infront&lt;br /&gt;
of me in their graphics.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
best regards,&lt;br /&gt;
              rrr/oxyron&lt;br /&gt;
                 /alpha flight 1970&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ------------------------------ -- -&lt;br /&gt;
        about tribune #44/entropy&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ------------------------------ -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well, some minutes ago i've read a mag&lt;br /&gt;
called tribune released by a group cal-&lt;br /&gt;
led entropy.&lt;br /&gt;
after loading in the chapter &amp;quot;mag re-&lt;br /&gt;
views&amp;quot; i've found a skyhigh #10 review.&lt;br /&gt;
i can't agree with the written lines so&lt;br /&gt;
i think it's time to correct some of the&lt;br /&gt;
statements of nastiness inc.:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1) there's was a bugged version spread&lt;br /&gt;
   by biz-kid. two days later the 100%&lt;br /&gt;
   got spread by scrapper and me.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2) you're the only person so far that&lt;br /&gt;
   informed us about the lack of quality&lt;br /&gt;
   concerned the text. many people saw&lt;br /&gt;
   the mag rising and becoming more in-&lt;br /&gt;
   teresting due to the different abili-&lt;br /&gt;
   ties of the different editors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3) the demo part and the interlace gfx&lt;br /&gt;
   made the &amp;quot;monsterhigh&amp;quot; to one of the&lt;br /&gt;
   best issues released so far (regar-&lt;br /&gt;
   ding the subject outfit).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4) my article about diskmags is my very&lt;br /&gt;
   own opinion. everything was based on&lt;br /&gt;
   facts and was confirmed by red rock,&lt;br /&gt;
   the main editor of nitro.&lt;br /&gt;
   you've been remarking some points i&lt;br /&gt;
   marked in my article and you've pro-&lt;br /&gt;
   ved it. i've edited my part of the&lt;br /&gt;
   news chapter in early january as the&lt;br /&gt;
   magazine was intended to be spread&lt;br /&gt;
   around middle/late february i.e.:&lt;br /&gt;
   in most mags you've found the rumour&lt;br /&gt;
   that derby ram has joined avantgarde&lt;br /&gt;
   but he definately hadn't entered the&lt;br /&gt;
   group that time. fact is that he joi-&lt;br /&gt;
   ned avt some weeks later.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5) it's 100% your point when you're tal-&lt;br /&gt;
   king about pri's partyreport. it was&lt;br /&gt;
   used twice - in addybook and in sky-&lt;br /&gt;
   high - but a partyreport about one&lt;br /&gt;
   and the same party edited by one and&lt;br /&gt;
   the same person won't look very dif-&lt;br /&gt;
   ferent either. anyway pri can't re-&lt;br /&gt;
   turn to the addybook as this magazine&lt;br /&gt;
   won't be released anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
after correcting or explaining all those&lt;br /&gt;
points i'd like to help you with some&lt;br /&gt;
intentions after observing our magazine:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1) news: trsi is not dead! actual mem-&lt;br /&gt;
   berstatus looks like this (a-z):&lt;br /&gt;
   anarchy-crisp-irata-mws-ob-posdnugs-&lt;br /&gt;
   scat-the brain-the breaker.&lt;br /&gt;
         who's stone impression? his&lt;br /&gt;
   handle is stone and impression was&lt;br /&gt;
   his former group.&lt;br /&gt;
         atlantis is definately not dead&lt;br /&gt;
   as immortal flash will be released&lt;br /&gt;
   soon and avalanche is working on a&lt;br /&gt;
   graphic collection.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2) magazine: the pulse contains both -&lt;br /&gt;
   board and mail scene. please check&lt;br /&gt;
   this out more carefully while having&lt;br /&gt;
   a look at the news and the addresses&lt;br /&gt;
   published there!&lt;br /&gt;
             the link is dead! the main&lt;br /&gt;
   editor and tsr organiser uptonogood&lt;br /&gt;
   left the scene for the amiga.&lt;br /&gt;
             euphoria, the noice mag,&lt;br /&gt;
   contains interesting articles for&lt;br /&gt;
   artists and composer, not only for&lt;br /&gt;
   graphicians!&lt;br /&gt;
             addybook is dead. scrapper&lt;br /&gt;
   has joined the skyhigh staff due to&lt;br /&gt;
   this reason.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   furthermore i can't agree with your&lt;br /&gt;
   statement that the link was the best&lt;br /&gt;
   australian magazine. without any&lt;br /&gt;
   doubts it was vandalism news as it&lt;br /&gt;
   was supported by european top groups&lt;br /&gt;
   like rsi, scs and oxyron for example.&lt;br /&gt;
   it was partly better then all those&lt;br /&gt;
   european magazines (single exception:&lt;br /&gt;
   the pulse).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3) adresses ('wanted' in your magazine):&lt;br /&gt;
   since july,1st 1993 germany has got a&lt;br /&gt;
   new post code system. the new system&lt;br /&gt;
   looks like this that an every city/&lt;br /&gt;
   village has a 5 digits long code, not&lt;br /&gt;
   only 4 digits long like most of your&lt;br /&gt;
   german adverts (i.e. anarchy, benno).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
issue #44 of tribune sounds amazing. but&lt;br /&gt;
i've never seen an issue infront of 1993&lt;br /&gt;
a little bit curious as i'm more than 5&lt;br /&gt;
years addicted to the cmb 64 scene.&lt;br /&gt;
another point for you is that i forgot&lt;br /&gt;
to mention that &amp;quot;tribune&amp;quot; is released an&lt;br /&gt;
every month, too. i don't get this mag&lt;br /&gt;
that regular.&lt;br /&gt;
congratulations for your journalistic&lt;br /&gt;
abilities. the only problem might be the&lt;br /&gt;
way of using your talent. instead of&lt;br /&gt;
editing some new, interesting articles&lt;br /&gt;
only reviews and rankings can be found&lt;br /&gt;
there. try to improve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
while talking about improvements i'd&lt;br /&gt;
like to present my results here, comple-&lt;br /&gt;
tely independent from your review about&lt;br /&gt;
our magazine:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
               code:  35%&lt;br /&gt;
               gfx :  34%&lt;br /&gt;
               sfx :  73%&lt;br /&gt;
               text:  57%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
comment: sports reports didn't fit into&lt;br /&gt;
         scene magazines.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
best regards,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
              rrr/oxyron&lt;br /&gt;
                 /alpha flight 1970&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                              april 1994&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ------------------------------ -- -&lt;br /&gt;
 cbm 64 vs amiga - an endless conflict?&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ------------------------------ -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
first there was a computer called pet,&lt;br /&gt;
later on a volkscomputer followed. the&lt;br /&gt;
name of this homecomputer was vc 20, a&lt;br /&gt;
machine dedicated for everyone to be&lt;br /&gt;
used at home (homecomputer). then commo-&lt;br /&gt;
dore decided to update the vc 20 and&lt;br /&gt;
released a machine that we can call a&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;living legend&amp;quot;. no other computer manu£&lt;br /&gt;
facturer can dream of the mass of sold&lt;br /&gt;
units and the endless software titles&lt;br /&gt;
being released in former times. the&lt;br /&gt;
machine we're refering to is your belo-&lt;br /&gt;
ved cbm 64. later on commodore released&lt;br /&gt;
another machine - the amiga. the amiga&lt;br /&gt;
shocked with stunning graphic and sound&lt;br /&gt;
facilities and the amiga got more and&lt;br /&gt;
more interesting for software companies&lt;br /&gt;
as the new market was growing up. the&lt;br /&gt;
cbm 64 got more and more forgotten. a&lt;br /&gt;
prophecy of many amiga users and ex-cbm&lt;br /&gt;
64 sceners was that the 64-scene will&lt;br /&gt;
die in 1991, then in 1992, later on in&lt;br /&gt;
1993 and nowadays we can see on our ca-&lt;br /&gt;
lenders the following four numbers: 1994&lt;br /&gt;
due to the masses of cbm 64 freaks lea-&lt;br /&gt;
ving the scene for the amiga and due to&lt;br /&gt;
the in many freak's opinion unpersonal&lt;br /&gt;
amiga system &amp;quot;kickstart&amp;quot; a kind of con-&lt;br /&gt;
curence or maybe &amp;quot;war&amp;quot; came up. the cbm&lt;br /&gt;
64 is for many amiga freaks maybe only&lt;br /&gt;
some sort of pocket calculator but after&lt;br /&gt;
working on this machine some have found&lt;br /&gt;
out that the cbm 64 is more then just a&lt;br /&gt;
cheap toy.&lt;br /&gt;
after reading the &amp;quot;sledgehammer 12/e&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
released by &amp;quot;absolute!&amp;quot; on amiga i'd&lt;br /&gt;
like to present you the major topics of&lt;br /&gt;
the article (for all those non amiga&lt;br /&gt;
user).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
     amiga - a 16-bit commodore 64?&lt;br /&gt;
     - -- -------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the commodore 64 and the amiga have more&lt;br /&gt;
in common than just their manufacturers.&lt;br /&gt;
the designers of the amiga have used the&lt;br /&gt;
cbm 64 as basis to create this 16-bit&lt;br /&gt;
machine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
processor arrangements:&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the cbm 64 uses one main processor (1mhz&lt;br /&gt;
6502 chip) with custom graphic and sound&lt;br /&gt;
chips (vic and sid). the amiga uses also&lt;br /&gt;
one main processor (7,14 mhz motorola&lt;br /&gt;
68000) and two custom graphic and sound&lt;br /&gt;
chips.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
various graphic modes:&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ------------ -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the most advanced graphic modes are on&lt;br /&gt;
the cbm 64 the so-called interlace fli&lt;br /&gt;
mode and the amiga calls their best gra-&lt;br /&gt;
phic mode ham. both graphic formats use&lt;br /&gt;
bitmapped display.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
sprite facilities:&lt;br /&gt;
- -- -------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the sprite facilities of both machines&lt;br /&gt;
are quite similar. both have basicly 8&lt;br /&gt;
sprites available to be used.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
further graphic options:&lt;br /&gt;
- -- -------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a cbm 64 programmer has the option to&lt;br /&gt;
use udg (user defined graphics) which&lt;br /&gt;
are not operated via the graphic chip, a&lt;br /&gt;
sequal on the amiga is called bob. this&lt;br /&gt;
is an object created by the processor/&lt;br /&gt;
blitter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
border facilities:&lt;br /&gt;
- -- -------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
by careful programming on the cbm 64 it&lt;br /&gt;
is possible to remove the border and to&lt;br /&gt;
allow using graphics there, on the amiga&lt;br /&gt;
this possibility is called overscan.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
basic dialects:&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ----- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
both machines have very worse &amp;quot;built-in&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
basic dialects called basic v2 (cbm 64)&lt;br /&gt;
and amiga basic (not on amiga 1200 as it&lt;br /&gt;
is not compatible to this new machine,&lt;br /&gt;
(the amiga basic has to be loaded via&lt;br /&gt;
workbench disk while the cbm 64 is ready&lt;br /&gt;
to be programmed when you switch on the&lt;br /&gt;
power key).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
marketing strategies:&lt;br /&gt;
- -- ----------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
commodore has made some real serious ad-&lt;br /&gt;
vertising for both commodore homecompu-&lt;br /&gt;
ter. both were originally marked as bu-&lt;br /&gt;
siness machines. denying their ability&lt;br /&gt;
to produce high quality games. what word&lt;br /&gt;
processor needs 8 multiplexed sprites&lt;br /&gt;
and the best 8/16 bit sound chip in&lt;br /&gt;
their class?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
this text was based, like said before,&lt;br /&gt;
on an article in &amp;quot;sledgehammer 12/e&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
updated later on, there are some exam-&lt;br /&gt;
ples following by printing the names of&lt;br /&gt;
machines that lost the competition ver-&lt;br /&gt;
sus the cbm 64 but that's not that inte-&lt;br /&gt;
resting for this article in my opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
what's the intention of this article? i&lt;br /&gt;
want to see your constructive reactions&lt;br /&gt;
about a possible co-existence of both&lt;br /&gt;
systems or any other reaction about this&lt;br /&gt;
subject is wanted, too.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i'm a user of both systems, please find&lt;br /&gt;
my intention about this subject in the&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;skyhigh #12&amp;quot; coz i don't want to in-&lt;br /&gt;
fluence anyone with my opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
with kindly regards,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                      rrr/oxyron&lt;br /&gt;
                         /alpha flight&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                              april 1994&lt;br /&gt;
                              march 1994&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 -  -- --- ------------------ --- --  -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
if you have any comments or reactions to&lt;br /&gt;
the texts above, then please send them&lt;br /&gt;
directly to me (rrr) and NOT to biz kid!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         rrr/oxyron/alphaflight&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
         XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
         XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
         XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
thanx!!&lt;br /&gt;
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