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		<title>Ymgve at 00:03, 25 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;              tha biz-mix!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
yo yo yo, welcome to another edition of&lt;br /&gt;
             'tha biz-mix!'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
this time i will flip the inside of my&lt;br /&gt;
crazy head ouside!  - what the hell do i&lt;br /&gt;
mean by that? what i try to tell you is,&lt;br /&gt;
that this time i'll talk about the c-64&lt;br /&gt;
scene as i see it!!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2-3 years ago i tried to enter the scene&lt;br /&gt;
i made some 3 coloured logo's for some&lt;br /&gt;
various groups!&lt;br /&gt;
but.. no-one replyed my sendings at all!&lt;br /&gt;
offcourse the logo's seen in the back-&lt;br /&gt;
mirror looked like shit. but that wasn't&lt;br /&gt;
the bad thing!!&lt;br /&gt;
the real problem was the attitude of the&lt;br /&gt;
contacted groups! i didn't even get an&lt;br /&gt;
answer. but i guess i was too lame!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but hey, we've all been lame once!&lt;br /&gt;
we all have to start somewhere. peolpe&lt;br /&gt;
like :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  electric, creeper,the syndrom or tts&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
they have also started at the buttom of&lt;br /&gt;
the hierarchy.but look where they is now&lt;br /&gt;
they have all developed their skills in&lt;br /&gt;
their area, and now they get rewarded!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i find this very fair. it is like with&lt;br /&gt;
anything else, you have to earn respect&lt;br /&gt;
before you can reach the top!!&lt;br /&gt;
i once was active in the graffity scene&lt;br /&gt;
here in denmark!! but how do you think&lt;br /&gt;
our first mureals/pieces looked like??&lt;br /&gt;
the sure wasn't master pieces! he-he but&lt;br /&gt;
once again, you have to start somewhere!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
and that is exactly the same thing in&lt;br /&gt;
our c-64 scene. you can't enter as a new&lt;br /&gt;
commer and go direct to the top.&lt;br /&gt;
unfortunately some think they can; but&lt;br /&gt;
the scene is smart enough to ignore them&lt;br /&gt;
and put them back on the ground!! and&lt;br /&gt;
that is also the way it has to be!!&lt;br /&gt;
no doubt about that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but you also have to remember how hard&lt;br /&gt;
it was to enter the scene.&lt;br /&gt;
not many answered your sendings in the&lt;br /&gt;
beginning. either your stuff was old and&lt;br /&gt;
lame or you just wrote stupid ignorant&lt;br /&gt;
notes! i still get contacted by newcom-&lt;br /&gt;
mers now and then.&lt;br /&gt;
but some one of them really are some ass&lt;br /&gt;
holes. a text could sound like this!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
hi biz kid my name is kacke b of remal&lt;br /&gt;
i'm new in the scene and i wan't a lot&lt;br /&gt;
of new contacts. i hope you will swap&lt;br /&gt;
with me; if not then go to hell!! but&lt;br /&gt;
please send my disk back!!&lt;br /&gt;
send soon&lt;br /&gt;
                             kacke b!!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   remal is the best fuck the rest!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
some dudes really writes such contact-&lt;br /&gt;
notes. their ego is way out of control!!&lt;br /&gt;
1st they tell me to go to hell and then&lt;br /&gt;
to return their disk.. well fuck'em!!!&lt;br /&gt;
and the last sentence '..fuck the rest'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i can only say one thing : wannabees!!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but back to the subject. 1st you get one&lt;br /&gt;
answer, then another and another. your&lt;br /&gt;
name is more often seen in notes, charts&lt;br /&gt;
and so on. you don't really notice the&lt;br /&gt;
entrance, but suddenly you are in!!&lt;br /&gt;
and then for some stage 2 begins!!&lt;br /&gt;
coz now you are a scener, and people&lt;br /&gt;
starts contacting you. but you are way&lt;br /&gt;
to 'elite' to respond their lame letters&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
           how people change!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a little popularity and the go bananas!!&lt;br /&gt;
i dont like such people. fuck'em!!&lt;br /&gt;
i have said it before and i will say it&lt;br /&gt;
again :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
take good care that your EGO won't grow&lt;br /&gt;
bigger than your talent!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
coz in my eyes that is the perfect de-&lt;br /&gt;
scription of lamer..&lt;br /&gt;
unfortunatly some dudes can't manage to&lt;br /&gt;
control this (no names mentioned here!!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but ofcoz there's examples of people who&lt;br /&gt;
are direct opposite.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a good example could be the syndrom..&lt;br /&gt;
he is one of the best composers in the&lt;br /&gt;
scene today. and all you hear about him&lt;br /&gt;
or from him is friendly things!!&lt;br /&gt;
he also says it himself; that he is try-&lt;br /&gt;
ing to keep good friends instead of war-&lt;br /&gt;
ing.&lt;br /&gt;
you never hear him brag of his position&lt;br /&gt;
in the charts. he just keep composing&lt;br /&gt;
excellent music and keeping his ego low.&lt;br /&gt;
he deffently get all my respect..&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
another example of a lamer goes like diz&lt;br /&gt;
kacke b sends out 40 cheated sendings,&lt;br /&gt;
but he gets busted by the post.&lt;br /&gt;
well what does he do? -he starts calling&lt;br /&gt;
the post bad names!!&lt;br /&gt;
actually the post is just doing their&lt;br /&gt;
job!! and he is the guilty mothafucker&lt;br /&gt;
here!!&lt;br /&gt;
but he'll rather blame the post than ad-&lt;br /&gt;
mitting that he is the asshole!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
actually it was jerry/triad who opened&lt;br /&gt;
my eyes for this last example!&lt;br /&gt;
creditz given where creditz belongs!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
take an example like jerry of triad!&lt;br /&gt;
jerry is one hell of a guy!&lt;br /&gt;
he has been into a few verbal fights in&lt;br /&gt;
the past.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but try take a look on some of his text.&lt;br /&gt;
try to analyse the sentences!&lt;br /&gt;
here you see a dude who really knows his&lt;br /&gt;
way around with the english language!&lt;br /&gt;
but that's not all. jerry has this '2nd'&lt;br /&gt;
way of looking on things!!&lt;br /&gt;
most people in the scene look on things&lt;br /&gt;
either black or white.but to me it seems&lt;br /&gt;
that jerry look on the same things in&lt;br /&gt;
another angle.&lt;br /&gt;
this is in my eyes very positive.&lt;br /&gt;
unfortunately some guyz don't understand&lt;br /&gt;
his way of writing, and see his critics&lt;br /&gt;
as an attack. and that is often the rea-&lt;br /&gt;
son for stupid wars!!&lt;br /&gt;
people should think more before acting!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
honestly i think people sometimes get&lt;br /&gt;
offended way to easy!! why not calm down&lt;br /&gt;
and think it over before acting ?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
          ok enough about that!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
to you jerry i will say that this is no&lt;br /&gt;
attack, but i guess you allready know.&lt;br /&gt;
i hope more guys will understand you in&lt;br /&gt;
the future instead of getting pissed.&lt;br /&gt;
have a cool time and stay active as hell&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
ok let's take a look on another part of&lt;br /&gt;
the scene.  the demo scene!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
demo-groups are getting more and more&lt;br /&gt;
popular as time goes on! the reason for&lt;br /&gt;
this is deffently the lack of good games&lt;br /&gt;
more and more cracker-groups quits or&lt;br /&gt;
turn legal at the moment!!&lt;br /&gt;
i think this is very positive turn. coz&lt;br /&gt;
then more demos will get produced. but&lt;br /&gt;
also more demogroups quit or get lazy!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
we can't deny the fact that the time be-&lt;br /&gt;
tween demo's are increasing.but the only&lt;br /&gt;
ones we can blame is ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;
why are there so less demos produced now&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
one reason is ofcoz the laziness.&lt;br /&gt;
another is that the quality of demos is&lt;br /&gt;
very high; and we keep improving this&lt;br /&gt;
quality all the time. but this takes a&lt;br /&gt;
lot of time. new routines must be devel-&lt;br /&gt;
oped. the music are often 2 or 4 player-&lt;br /&gt;
music (if not 8 or 9).also the gfx takes&lt;br /&gt;
more time to do;coz now most gfx is made&lt;br /&gt;
in fli-format or fli-interlace.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
it deffently takes more time to finish a&lt;br /&gt;
demo nowadays than 2-3 years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
but i don't think it is an excuse. i do&lt;br /&gt;
belive the real reason is laziness.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
also the expectations for new demos is&lt;br /&gt;
way to high!&lt;br /&gt;
most newcommer-groups have a real hard&lt;br /&gt;
time getting into the scene. coz their&lt;br /&gt;
routines might be a bit boring or 'lame'&lt;br /&gt;
compared to top-demogroups.&lt;br /&gt;
but they still deserve a chance. some&lt;br /&gt;
dudes say :'well fuck these lame idiots'&lt;br /&gt;
some times you even say it yourself, but&lt;br /&gt;
this is actually the wrong way to think.&lt;br /&gt;
becoz it is also these groups who keep&lt;br /&gt;
the scene alive.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         well think about it!!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
at last i will encourage all demogroups&lt;br /&gt;
to get more active and start producing&lt;br /&gt;
more demos again. at this time the scene&lt;br /&gt;
is very quit concerning demo-releases.&lt;br /&gt;
but that is easily explained.every group&lt;br /&gt;
is preparing their demo for the x-mas&lt;br /&gt;
party 1993 in denmark.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i hope lot's of groups will be there to&lt;br /&gt;
spread their newest creations.&lt;br /&gt;
i know we (oxyron) will be there with :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         c o m a l i g h t  1 1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
so better watch out dudes. and see ya in&lt;br /&gt;
denmark december 27th.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
nother way to produce more demos is to&lt;br /&gt;
join our mega demo.&lt;br /&gt;
the demo against nazism. as mentioned in&lt;br /&gt;
previous devil of noice - raz of camelot&lt;br /&gt;
and me biz kid of oxyron are working on&lt;br /&gt;
a big co-op demo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but we need your help to make it happend&lt;br /&gt;
so come on join in and fight the fuckin&lt;br /&gt;
nazis.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         anti-nazi demo members&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
GROUP      HANDEL      STATUS&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
noice      DEVIL       coder, org.&lt;br /&gt;
 ---       draz        graphics&lt;br /&gt;
 ---       decoder     music&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
oxyron     BIZ KID     graphics, org.&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
camelot    RAZ         coder, org.&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
fiction    yoda        code&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
no name    gigabyte    spreader&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
??         maja        spreader&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
slash      poeba       cover&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
guilty     vertigo     code&lt;br /&gt;
 ---       fct         gfx/covers&lt;br /&gt;
 ---       kathulo     (amiga)&lt;br /&gt;
 ---       filth       music/covers&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but we want more.. a lot more..&lt;br /&gt;
why not be a part of this very important&lt;br /&gt;
list!!! - why not join forces!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
     what we are searching for is :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    coders   - singlecoder or groups&lt;br /&gt;
    musician - musiclabels or groups&lt;br /&gt;
    gfx'er   - gfxlabels or groups&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
          but all is welcome..&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
some technial details!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
grafix - all formats     (fli,&lt;br /&gt;
                          multicolor,&lt;br /&gt;
                          hires,&lt;br /&gt;
                          sprites a.s.o)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
music  - all formats      single, double&lt;br /&gt;
                          quadro, octa&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
code   - the program should make a jump&lt;br /&gt;
         to a specific adress when space&lt;br /&gt;
         is pressed. it should be pos-&lt;br /&gt;
         sible to change this jump.&lt;br /&gt;
         please send a crunched version&lt;br /&gt;
         aswell as a raw file, and rem-&lt;br /&gt;
         ember to inform us where we can&lt;br /&gt;
         change the jump.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
what you make in your part is all up to&lt;br /&gt;
you..  also the quality is not that im-&lt;br /&gt;
protant, what is important is to be a&lt;br /&gt;
part of this anti-nazi demo..&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
what really counts is to fight a battle&lt;br /&gt;
against the growing nazism..&lt;br /&gt;
we have to show our disrespect for this&lt;br /&gt;
phenomena; for this lowlife attitude!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well i hope several guyz will join in&lt;br /&gt;
after this encouragement.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
later a note will be made and spreaded&lt;br /&gt;
for the masses..   i (biz kid), raz and&lt;br /&gt;
devil will work out a note with more spe&lt;br /&gt;
cific informations and spread it.&lt;br /&gt;
i guess this note will get spreaded at&lt;br /&gt;
the x-mas party in denmark!!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
ok that's all for now.i hope to see your&lt;br /&gt;
name on the list next time!!!!&lt;br /&gt;
until then ....see ya......&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                                BIZ KID&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
actually the chapter was now over. but i&lt;br /&gt;
recieved a sending from fct of guilty&lt;br /&gt;
saying all 4 members joined in.&lt;br /&gt;
but that's not all. he also wrote a note&lt;br /&gt;
which i'll publish here!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
hey biz kid,&lt;br /&gt;
was a very cool idea from you to build&lt;br /&gt;
up such a federation against nazism.&lt;br /&gt;
i think it is a well-chosen way to show&lt;br /&gt;
our respect to all the foreigners out&lt;br /&gt;
there having another culture,colour or&lt;br /&gt;
whatsoever might differ them from us&lt;br /&gt;
and fight the still growing amount of&lt;br /&gt;
pissheads simpathizing with fashistic-&lt;br /&gt;
or however nazi-groups ...&lt;br /&gt;
i myself am fucking proud to have joined&lt;br /&gt;
in and i hope the demo,related to this&lt;br /&gt;
matter of fact will be a success at all.&lt;br /&gt;
but what i must complain about is that&lt;br /&gt;
it's a shame that we sceners have to do&lt;br /&gt;
something like a demo to make all the&lt;br /&gt;
nazi-suckers out there understand that&lt;br /&gt;
their beliefs and acting is total non-&lt;br /&gt;
sense.&lt;br /&gt;
just think about the friendly way we are&lt;br /&gt;
welcomed in many other countries when&lt;br /&gt;
we spend our holidays there.&lt;br /&gt;
but no,grabbing the baseball-racket and&lt;br /&gt;
push it over the foreign guy - wouw,&lt;br /&gt;
what an accomplishment.&lt;br /&gt;
instead of hanging around and doing shit&lt;br /&gt;
like this,these dudes should do better&lt;br /&gt;
and go to work.&lt;br /&gt;
but indeed i think they're all just too&lt;br /&gt;
lazy to do something rather productive.&lt;br /&gt;
for me,the statement of growing up in&lt;br /&gt;
inferior social relations is no excuse&lt;br /&gt;
for their acting.&lt;br /&gt;
anyway,i know that i can't prevent them&lt;br /&gt;
acting that way but all the reason i&lt;br /&gt;
wrote this little comment is to support&lt;br /&gt;
biz kid's thoughts a bit and to call&lt;br /&gt;
upon all you sceners to support the&lt;br /&gt;
demo,though it is just a small drop on&lt;br /&gt;
a hot stone.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
but as biz kid definetely said:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
fuck fashism!&lt;br /&gt;
                           //fct/guilty&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- hi my friend. 1st of all thanx to all&lt;br /&gt;
of you for joining in. i really appri-&lt;br /&gt;
ciate it a lot!!!&lt;br /&gt;
second i would thank you for writing diz&lt;br /&gt;
comment. well what can i say!!!&lt;br /&gt;
you hit the nail right on the top. this&lt;br /&gt;
really is a cup of water compared to the&lt;br /&gt;
sea, but it is a start and a way to show&lt;br /&gt;
our disrespect for nazism and fashism!!&lt;br /&gt;
i really feel happy that more people&lt;br /&gt;
think like i do!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
you marco you got 100% backup from this&lt;br /&gt;
person...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
have a cool life my friend!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                                BIZ KID&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   (now the chapter really is over!!)&lt;br /&gt;
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