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		<title>Vargaviktor at 22:51, 24 June 2009</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;                zamir                  o&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  h&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zatok a h&amp;amp;aacute;bor&amp;amp;uacute; s&amp;amp;uacute;jtotta balk&amp;amp;aacute;non&lt;br /&gt;
  ------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 *from: milad,szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;,bosznia&lt;br /&gt;
    to: suada,dubrovnik,horv&amp;amp;aacute;torsz&amp;amp;aacute;g&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  dr&amp;amp;aacute;ga anya! h&amp;amp;aacute;rom &amp;amp;eacute;ve pr&amp;amp;oacute;b&amp;amp;aacute;lkozok min-&lt;br /&gt;
  dennel (a postagalambot kiv&amp;amp;eacute;ve), hogy&lt;br /&gt;
  kapcsolatot tal&amp;amp;aacute;ljak veled. most k&amp;amp;uuml;l&amp;amp;ouml;-&lt;br /&gt;
  n&amp;amp;ouml;s m&amp;amp;oacute;don &amp;amp;uuml;zenek: egy k&amp;amp;aacute;v&amp;amp;eacute;z&amp;amp;oacute;b&amp;amp;oacute;l, sz&amp;amp;aacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
  m&amp;amp;iacute;t&amp;amp;oacute;g&amp;amp;eacute;pes lev&amp;amp;eacute;lben. mindennap gondolok&lt;br /&gt;
  r&amp;amp;aacute;d, &amp;amp;eacute;s alig v&amp;amp;aacute;rom, hogy tal&amp;amp;aacute;lkozhas-&lt;br /&gt;
  sunk. fiad, milad.*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a pennsylvaniai  eric bachmannnak m&amp;amp;aacute;r a&lt;br /&gt;
vietn&amp;amp;aacute;mi h&amp;amp;aacute;bor&amp;amp;uacute; sem tetszett, meg is ta-&lt;br /&gt;
gadta a bevonul&amp;amp;aacute;st annak idej&amp;amp;eacute;n. a&lt;br /&gt;
szerb-horv&amp;amp;aacute;t h&amp;amp;aacute;bor&amp;amp;uacute; se tetszik neki, meg&lt;br /&gt;
a boszniai m&amp;amp;eacute;sz&amp;amp;aacute;rl&amp;amp;aacute;s sem. most m&amp;amp;eacute;gis be-&lt;br /&gt;
vonult:belgr&amp;amp;aacute;dba,z&amp;amp;aacute;gr&amp;amp;aacute;bba,szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;ba.&lt;br /&gt;
fegyverzete modemekb&amp;amp;#337;l &amp;amp;eacute;s kommunik&amp;amp;aacute;ci&amp;amp;oacute;s&lt;br /&gt;
szoftverekb&amp;amp;#337;l &amp;amp;aacute;ll.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  az ex-jugoszl&amp;amp;aacute;v t&amp;amp;eacute;rs&amp;amp;eacute;gben nehez&amp;amp;iacute;tik az&lt;br /&gt;
inform&amp;amp;aacute;ci&amp;amp;oacute; &amp;amp;aacute;raml&amp;amp;aacute;st bizonyos k&amp;amp;ouml;r&amp;amp;uuml;lm&amp;amp;eacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
nyek. nem sz&amp;amp;oacute;l a telefon, nincs posta,&lt;br /&gt;
nem j&amp;amp;aacute;r a vonat. ha kim&amp;amp;eacute;sz az utc&amp;amp;aacute;ra le-&lt;br /&gt;
l&amp;amp;#337;nek. ha besz&amp;amp;eacute;lsz beverik a sz&amp;amp;aacute;dat.&lt;br /&gt;
csak egy csatorna m&amp;amp;uuml;k&amp;amp;ouml;dik,az &amp;amp;aacute;llami m&amp;amp;eacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
dia,amelyen a hatalom nyomatja el&amp;amp;#337;&amp;amp;iacute;t&amp;amp;eacute;le-&lt;br /&gt;
teket,gy&amp;amp;#369;l&amp;amp;#337;letet &amp;amp;eacute;s f&amp;amp;eacute;lelmet gerjeszt&amp;amp;#337;&lt;br /&gt;
propagand&amp;amp;aacute;j&amp;amp;aacute;t.pedig vannak akik mondan&amp;amp;aacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
nak m&amp;amp;aacute;st is.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  bachmann az &amp;amp;#337; kommunik&amp;amp;aacute;ci&amp;amp;oacute;s lehet&amp;amp;#337;s&amp;amp;eacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
geiken pr&amp;amp;oacute;b&amp;amp;aacute;lt jav&amp;amp;iacute;tani.legal&amp;amp;aacute;bb azt a&lt;br /&gt;
megmaradt n&amp;amp;eacute;h&amp;amp;aacute;ny recseg&amp;amp;#337; telefonvonalat&lt;br /&gt;
kellene hat&amp;amp;eacute;konyan kihaszn&amp;amp;aacute;lni.&lt;br /&gt;
ha telefon helyett sz&amp;amp;aacute;m&amp;amp;iacute;t&amp;amp;oacute;g&amp;amp;eacute;peket hasz-&lt;br /&gt;
n&amp;amp;aacute;lsz, akkor az alatt az id&amp;amp;#337; alatt,m&amp;amp;iacute;g&lt;br /&gt;
belehall&amp;amp;oacute;zn&amp;amp;aacute;l a kagyl&amp;amp;oacute;ba, egy csom&amp;amp;oacute; le-&lt;br /&gt;
velet ereszthetsz a dr&amp;amp;oacute;tba. s&amp;amp;#337;t. z&amp;amp;aacute;gr&amp;amp;aacute;b-&lt;br /&gt;
b&amp;amp;oacute;l belgr&amp;amp;aacute;dba nem lehet telefon&amp;amp;aacute;lni,de&lt;br /&gt;
ha mindk&amp;amp;eacute;t v&amp;amp;aacute;rosban van egy-egy g&amp;amp;eacute;p,ame-&lt;br /&gt;
lyik ha n&amp;amp;eacute;ha-n&amp;amp;eacute;ha is de el&amp;amp;eacute;r egy b&amp;amp;eacute;csi&lt;br /&gt;
g&amp;amp;eacute;pet,akkor m&amp;amp;eacute;gis van kapcsolat.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  1991 &amp;amp;eacute;s '92 fordul&amp;amp;oacute;j&amp;amp;aacute;n bachmann f&amp;amp;ouml;lke-&lt;br /&gt;
resett egy-egy belgr&amp;amp;aacute;di,z&amp;amp;aacute;gr&amp;amp;aacute;bi,ljublja-&lt;br /&gt;
nai &amp;amp;eacute;s szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;i h&amp;amp;aacute;bor&amp;amp;uacute;ellenes szerve-&lt;br /&gt;
zetet, &amp;amp;eacute;s megtan&amp;amp;iacute;tott n&amp;amp;eacute;h&amp;amp;aacute;ny aktivist&amp;amp;aacute;t&lt;br /&gt;
a levelez&amp;amp;#337;rendszer haszn&amp;amp;aacute;lat&amp;amp;aacute;ra. &amp;amp;oacute;cska&lt;br /&gt;
k&amp;amp;ouml;lcs&amp;amp;ouml;ng&amp;amp;eacute;pekkel, csak &amp;amp;eacute;jjel haszn&amp;amp;aacute;lhat&amp;amp;oacute;&lt;br /&gt;
telefonokkal, de lehetett levelezni.&lt;br /&gt;
j&amp;amp;uacute;liusban a z&amp;amp;aacute;gr&amp;amp;aacute;bi &amp;amp;eacute;s belgr&amp;amp;aacute;di g&amp;amp;eacute;pen&lt;br /&gt;
elinditott egy bbs-t &amp;amp;eacute;s ezzel l&amp;amp;eacute;trej&amp;amp;ouml;tt&lt;br /&gt;
a zamir-*h&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zat*. k&amp;amp;eacute;s&amp;amp;#337;bb siker&amp;amp;uuml;lt jobb&lt;br /&gt;
g&amp;amp;eacute;pet, csak a h&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zat c&amp;amp;eacute;ljaira haszn&amp;amp;aacute;lt&lt;br /&gt;
vonalat, a pocs&amp;amp;eacute;k vonallal megb&amp;amp;iacute;rk&amp;amp;oacute;z&amp;amp;oacute;&lt;br /&gt;
modemet szerezni. k&amp;amp;ouml;zben alak&amp;amp;iacute;tott egy&lt;br /&gt;
szervezetet, amelyik &amp;amp;ouml;nk&amp;amp;eacute;nteseket tobor-&lt;br /&gt;
zott &amp;amp;eacute;s k&amp;amp;uuml;ld&amp;amp;ouml;tt a terepre.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 *from: berina,szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;,bosznia&lt;br /&gt;
    to: nermina,charlestown,usa&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    boldog sz&amp;amp;uuml;let&amp;amp;eacute;snapot! rem&amp;amp;eacute;lem egy-&lt;br /&gt;
  szer tal&amp;amp;aacute;lkozunk m&amp;amp;eacute;g. el kell j&amp;amp;ouml;jjenek&lt;br /&gt;
  a jobb id&amp;amp;#337;k. r&amp;amp;aacute;szolg&amp;amp;aacute;ltunk! cs&amp;amp;oacute;kol,&lt;br /&gt;
  berina.*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  a g&amp;amp;eacute;p - modem - telefon - e-mail - bbs&lt;br /&gt;
rendszer haszn&amp;amp;aacute;lhat&amp;amp;oacute;nak bizonyult, &amp;amp;eacute;s az&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;amp;eacute;vek sor&amp;amp;aacute;n m&amp;amp;aacute;s v&amp;amp;aacute;rosokban is elterjedt.&lt;br /&gt;
ma m&amp;amp;aacute;r ljubljan&amp;amp;aacute;ban,szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;ban,pristi-&lt;br /&gt;
n&amp;amp;aacute;ban &amp;amp;eacute;s tuzl&amp;amp;aacute;ban is van zamir h&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zat.&lt;br /&gt;
a polg&amp;amp;aacute;r vagy egy aktivista beviszi az&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;amp;uuml;zenetet (ha meg&amp;amp;uacute;ssza az orvl&amp;amp;ouml;v&amp;amp;eacute;szeket)&lt;br /&gt;
a helyi zamir irod&amp;amp;aacute;ba &amp;amp;eacute;s mehet a lev&amp;amp;eacute;l a&lt;br /&gt;
front t&amp;amp;uacute;loldal&amp;amp;aacute;n &amp;amp;eacute;l&amp;amp;#337; bar&amp;amp;aacute;tnak,az elmene-&lt;br /&gt;
k&amp;amp;uuml;lt rokonnak, a m&amp;amp;aacute;sik szervezetnek,a&lt;br /&gt;
vil&amp;amp;aacute;gnak.a rendszer g&amp;amp;eacute;peit egy n&amp;amp;eacute;metor-&lt;br /&gt;
sz&amp;amp;aacute;gi g&amp;amp;eacute;p kapcsolja &amp;amp;ouml;ssze egym&amp;amp;aacute;ssal &amp;amp;eacute;s&lt;br /&gt;
az internettel.a bielefeldi 2.6 gbyte-ot&lt;br /&gt;
k&amp;amp;eacute;t fl&amp;amp;uacute;gos n&amp;amp;eacute;met m&amp;amp;#369;v&amp;amp;eacute;sz hozta &amp;amp;ouml;ssze 93-&lt;br /&gt;
ban.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  a zamir r&amp;amp;eacute;szh&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zatai nagyon k&amp;amp;uuml;l&amp;amp;ouml;nb&amp;amp;ouml;z&amp;amp;#337;&lt;br /&gt;
k&amp;amp;ouml;r&amp;amp;uuml;lm&amp;amp;eacute;nyek k&amp;amp;ouml;z&amp;amp;ouml;tt m&amp;amp;uuml;k&amp;amp;ouml;dnek. a meglehe-&lt;br /&gt;
t&amp;amp;#337;sen eur&amp;amp;oacute;pai fazon&amp;amp;uacute; szlov&amp;amp;eacute;nia *internet&lt;br /&gt;
site* &amp;amp;eacute;s messze nem a zamir-lj az egyet-&lt;br /&gt;
len kommunk&amp;amp;aacute;ci&amp;amp;oacute;s lehet&amp;amp;#337;s&amp;amp;eacute;g.&lt;br /&gt;
de a nyomorultabb helyzet&amp;amp;uuml; r&amp;amp;eacute;gi&amp;amp;oacute;kban is&lt;br /&gt;
egyre t&amp;amp;ouml;bb a sz&amp;amp;aacute;m&amp;amp;iacute;t&amp;amp;oacute;g&amp;amp;eacute;p &amp;amp;eacute;s a modem, m&amp;amp;eacute;g&lt;br /&gt;
az ostromlott szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;ban is igazi h&amp;amp;aacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
l&amp;amp;oacute;zat alakult ki a zamir-sa k&amp;amp;ouml;r&amp;amp;uuml;l. aki&lt;br /&gt;
csak gyalog &amp;amp;eacute;ri el a h&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zatot,annak a&lt;br /&gt;
zamir aktivist&amp;amp;aacute;i k&amp;amp;eacute;zbes&amp;amp;iacute;tik az &amp;amp;uuml;zenetet.&lt;br /&gt;
ilyenkor j&amp;amp;oacute;l j&amp;amp;ouml;n az olyan munkat&amp;amp;aacute;rs,mint&lt;br /&gt;
az a szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;b&amp;amp;oacute;l belgr&amp;amp;aacute;dba menek&amp;amp;uuml;lt&lt;br /&gt;
sr&amp;amp;aacute;c, akinek a fej&amp;amp;eacute;ben ott van szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;&lt;br /&gt;
t&amp;amp;eacute;rk&amp;amp;eacute;pe,a h&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zatba bek&amp;amp;ouml;t&amp;amp;ouml;tt g&amp;amp;eacute;pek c&amp;amp;iacute;me-&lt;br /&gt;
ivel. a c&amp;amp;iacute;mzetthez legk&amp;amp;ouml;zelebb l&amp;amp;eacute;v&amp;amp;#337; g&amp;amp;eacute;p-&lt;br /&gt;
re lehet ir&amp;amp;aacute;nyitani a levelet - t&amp;amp;#369;z&lt;br /&gt;
alatt l&amp;amp;eacute;v&amp;amp;#337; v&amp;amp;aacute;rosban nem j&amp;amp;oacute; f&amp;amp;ouml;l&amp;amp;ouml;slegesen&lt;br /&gt;
m&amp;amp;aacute;szk&amp;amp;aacute;lni.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  a f&amp;amp;uuml;ggetlen kommunik&amp;amp;aacute;ci&amp;amp;oacute;s csatorna&lt;br /&gt;
sokat seg&amp;amp;iacute;t. amikor milosevic lefejezte&lt;br /&gt;
a borb&amp;amp;aacute;t(borba-ellenz&amp;amp;eacute;ki jugoszl&amp;amp;aacute;v lap),&lt;br /&gt;
az &amp;amp;uacute;js&amp;amp;aacute;g&amp;amp;iacute;r&amp;amp;oacute;k itt terjeszthett&amp;amp;eacute;k saj&amp;amp;aacute;t&lt;br /&gt;
verzi&amp;amp;oacute;jukat. az ostrom alatt a szaraje-&lt;br /&gt;
v&amp;amp;oacute;i k&amp;amp;oacute;rh&amp;amp;aacute;z a zamir seg&amp;amp;iacute;ts&amp;amp;eacute;g&amp;amp;eacute;vel jutott&lt;br /&gt;
gy&amp;amp;oacute;gyszerekhez.t&amp;amp;iacute;z letart&amp;amp;oacute;ztatott spliti&lt;br /&gt;
ellenz&amp;amp;eacute;ki a h&amp;amp;aacute;l&amp;amp;oacute;zaton csapott l&amp;amp;aacute;rm&amp;amp;aacute;nak&lt;br /&gt;
k&amp;amp;ouml;sz&amp;amp;ouml;nhette,hogy ver&amp;amp;eacute;s&amp;amp;uuml;ket abbahagyt&amp;amp;aacute;k.&lt;br /&gt;
mostan&amp;amp;aacute;ban &amp;amp;eacute;rdemes lesz figyelni az in-&lt;br /&gt;
terneten az &amp;amp;eacute;szak szlav&amp;amp;oacute;nia &amp;amp;uuml;zeneteket.&lt;br /&gt;
(&amp;amp;eacute;s most hogy ki&amp;amp;uacute;jult a h&amp;amp;aacute;bor&amp;amp;uacute; az eg&amp;amp;eacute;sz&lt;br /&gt;
balk&amp;amp;aacute;n&amp;amp;eacute;t.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  a zamir k&amp;amp;ouml;lts&amp;amp;eacute;geinek jav&amp;amp;aacute;t tucatnyi&lt;br /&gt;
n&amp;amp;eacute;met,sv&amp;amp;eacute;d,holland,sv&amp;amp;aacute;jci &amp;amp;eacute;s amerikai a-&lt;br /&gt;
lap&amp;amp;iacute;tv&amp;amp;aacute;ny &amp;amp;eacute;s szervezet fedezi,t&amp;amp;aacute;mogat&amp;amp;aacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
suk l&amp;amp;eacute;tk&amp;amp;eacute;rd&amp;amp;eacute;s a rendszer sz&amp;amp;aacute;m&amp;amp;aacute;ra.k&amp;amp;ouml;z&amp;amp;uuml;l&amp;amp;uuml;k&lt;br /&gt;
a leghathat&amp;amp;oacute;sabb - ki hinn&amp;amp;eacute; - a soros.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 *from: milad,szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;,bosznia&lt;br /&gt;
    to: bill clinton,president,&lt;br /&gt;
        whitehouse.gov&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    kedves bill! b&amp;amp;aacute;rcsak itt lenn&amp;amp;eacute;l,&lt;br /&gt;
  akkor egy kicsit &amp;amp;aacute;t&amp;amp;eacute;rezhetn&amp;amp;eacute;d minden-&lt;br /&gt;
  napi &amp;amp;eacute;let&amp;amp;uuml;nket! &amp;amp;uuml;dv&amp;amp;ouml;z&amp;amp;ouml;l: milad,nedim,&lt;br /&gt;
  enki &amp;amp;eacute;s sejo,*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                ()&lt;br /&gt;
                &amp;amp;amp;'&lt;br /&gt;
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 zamir bbs-ek telefonsz&amp;amp;aacute;mai:&lt;br /&gt;
 ---------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
 zamir-bg (belgr&amp;amp;aacute;d)   +381 11 632 566&lt;br /&gt;
 zamir-lj (ljubljana) +386 61 126 3281&lt;br /&gt;
 zana-pr  (pristina)  +381 38 31276&lt;br /&gt;
 zamir-sa (szarajev&amp;amp;oacute;) +387 71 444 200&lt;br /&gt;
 zamir-tz (tuzla)     +387 75 239 146&lt;br /&gt;
 zamir-zg (z&amp;amp;aacute;gr&amp;amp;aacute;b)    +385 41 271 292&lt;br /&gt;
                      +385 41 432 044&lt;br /&gt;
  bel&amp;amp;eacute;p&amp;amp;eacute;s *guest* vagy *gost* azonos&amp;amp;iacute;-&lt;br /&gt;
  t&amp;amp;oacute;val,jelsz&amp;amp;oacute; nincs.&lt;br /&gt;
 world wide web (www)&lt;br /&gt;
 --------------------&lt;br /&gt;
 http://web.cnam.fr/sarajevo/zamir.html&lt;br /&gt;
 http://mediafilter.org/mmf/warzone.html&lt;br /&gt;
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 e-mail:&lt;br /&gt;
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 (pl: support zamir-sa.ztn.apc.org)&lt;br /&gt;
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 levelek a r&amp;amp;eacute;gi&amp;amp;oacute;ba:&lt;br /&gt;
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 pnbalkan icg.apc.org&lt;br /&gt;
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egy a magyar narancsban megjelent cikk&lt;br /&gt;
alapj&amp;amp;aacute;n beg&amp;amp;eacute;pelte:  victory&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
az eredeti cikket &amp;amp;iacute;rta:&lt;br /&gt;
 zsadon b&amp;amp;eacute;la (zsadon omk.omikk.hu)&lt;br /&gt;
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