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		<title>Ymgve at 22:15, 29 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  different things&lt;br /&gt;
  ----------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the reason for us to skip 'reports'&lt;br /&gt;
  was to avoid two columns, which had&lt;br /&gt;
  to be filled by extraordinary stuff,&lt;br /&gt;
  because articles and reports are the&lt;br /&gt;
  most difficult stuff to get lately.&lt;br /&gt;
  (as noone wants to write anything!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  you will also find reports (like the&lt;br /&gt;
  venlo report) in this sub...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
          venlo-january-report&lt;br /&gt;
          --------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the monthly venlo-meeting was visited&lt;br /&gt;
  by a couple of guys although it was&lt;br /&gt;
  one week delayed, so i didn't reckon&lt;br /&gt;
  with all the people.&lt;br /&gt;
  as usual many amiga-dudes showed up,&lt;br /&gt;
  but surprisingly more c64's were&lt;br /&gt;
  present than (l)amigas !&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  as usual most of the people where&lt;br /&gt;
  quite lame because the only reason&lt;br /&gt;
  for them to come to the meeting is&lt;br /&gt;
  to copy some lame stuff...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  it was the second time i drove by&lt;br /&gt;
  myself in order to avoid the stupid&lt;br /&gt;
  train, which costs a lot of money,&lt;br /&gt;
  you also have to walk about 30 min&lt;br /&gt;
  to the meeting-place !&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  beside the hall itself, the snack-bar&lt;br /&gt;
  was the second best visited place...&lt;br /&gt;
  as usual...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  some nice people showed up this month&lt;br /&gt;
  who aren't available there periodly&lt;br /&gt;
  like some transcom dudes from belgium&lt;br /&gt;
  and france (lkj &amp;amp;amp; co), ninja/dom,&lt;br /&gt;
  a couple of action dudes, jack d./gp&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  georg bo sky/abary (yoo), and of&lt;br /&gt;
  course a lot of other people which&lt;br /&gt;
  i either didn't know or didn't see...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the stuff spreaded there is not even&lt;br /&gt;
  worth to be mentioned except this mag&lt;br /&gt;
  and some i+t stuff (hehehe)...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  wait, also action and dom had a few&lt;br /&gt;
  datas to spread...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  yes, i'll be there next time when&lt;br /&gt;
  the x-elite dudes will show up again,&lt;br /&gt;
  or i+t switzerland and of course&lt;br /&gt;
  abary with some pictures for me...&lt;br /&gt;
  (hopefully!!!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  ach ja, straight after the meeting,&lt;br /&gt;
  in the streets of venlo, we had some&lt;br /&gt;
  obstinate pursuer...it was spitfire&lt;br /&gt;
  with his gang who was proud like hell&lt;br /&gt;
  that he could drive to venlo by car&lt;br /&gt;
  for the first time...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  hmm on the autobahn (highway) he&lt;br /&gt;
  slammed on the gas and overtook us&lt;br /&gt;
  by sending a friendly (?) greeting&lt;br /&gt;
  towards our vehicle...&lt;br /&gt;
  too bad they didn't recognize the&lt;br /&gt;
  'spalters sux' sticker we showed them&lt;br /&gt;
  all the time when they still were&lt;br /&gt;
  behind us...  the end !!&lt;br /&gt;
                           peter/talent&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
              predator ii&lt;br /&gt;
             -------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the alien with the space dreadlocks&lt;br /&gt;
  returns, this time in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
  roger glover plays the character that&lt;br /&gt;
  will remind you of mel gibson's role&lt;br /&gt;
  in the 'lethal weapon' flick. dary&lt;br /&gt;
  busey plays the part of a&lt;br /&gt;
  co-ordinator of a high tech posse&lt;br /&gt;
  that has been tracking the alien.&lt;br /&gt;
  sorry, no arnie in this one...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  ganga violence is high, drugs are&lt;br /&gt;
  still a major source for plot. the&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  gangs have three officiers pinned&lt;br /&gt;
  down in the street and glover comes&lt;br /&gt;
  along to save the day. plowing his&lt;br /&gt;
  car in the midst of them, the cops&lt;br /&gt;
  are able to get to the downed&lt;br /&gt;
  officiers and the gang is forced&lt;br /&gt;
  inside. once inside our alien friend&lt;br /&gt;
  adds the gang members to his list of&lt;br /&gt;
  trophies.&lt;br /&gt;
  needless to say this befuddles the&lt;br /&gt;
  cops. that is the first of such&lt;br /&gt;
  happenings, and we're treated to&lt;br /&gt;
  another slaughter later on, this time&lt;br /&gt;
  the alien gets careless and leaves&lt;br /&gt;
  one of his weapons behind.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  busey sets an elaborate trap for the&lt;br /&gt;
  alien and fails miserably! glover&lt;br /&gt;
  does manage to pick up another of&lt;br /&gt;
  aliens' weapons, which end up being&lt;br /&gt;
  its downfall. if you've not seem the&lt;br /&gt;
  movie, i'll stop here so as to not&lt;br /&gt;
  blow it for you.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  rating: the storyline is weak. glover&lt;br /&gt;
          is no replacement for arnie.&lt;br /&gt;
          more could have been done to&lt;br /&gt;
          make this more interesting...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                         rating: 73%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
              flatliners&lt;br /&gt;
             ------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  kiefer sutherlands, julia roberts and&lt;br /&gt;
  kevin bacon play three med students&lt;br /&gt;
  in this columbia picture that have&lt;br /&gt;
  found a way to stop their hearts,&lt;br /&gt;
  experience the 'going to the other&lt;br /&gt;
  side' and then coming back.&lt;br /&gt;
  unfortunately they bring something&lt;br /&gt;
  back with them...&lt;br /&gt;
  some very good special effects in&lt;br /&gt;
  this, and is more of a thinking movie&lt;br /&gt;
  than a blood and guts type.&lt;br /&gt;
  well worth the time to view it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  rating: bacon stepped in to this out&lt;br /&gt;
          'tremors' roberts is still&lt;br /&gt;
          on a roll with 'pretty&lt;br /&gt;
          woman' and sutherland shook&lt;br /&gt;
          the dust and bullets off&lt;br /&gt;
          from 'young guns ii' their&lt;br /&gt;
          chemistry works well!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                       rating: 89%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         sleeping with the enemy&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  robertsm trying to escape from her&lt;br /&gt;
  husband, well to do investment banker&lt;br /&gt;
  who turns out to be an abusive sort&lt;br /&gt;
  and obsessed. after pulling up with&lt;br /&gt;
  three years of physcial and emotional&lt;br /&gt;
  violence, lauro burney (roberts)&lt;br /&gt;
  takes her own death and begins a new&lt;br /&gt;
  life. some clues tip her old man,&lt;br /&gt;
  martin (patrick bergin) that she's&lt;br /&gt;
  not as dead as she would like all to&lt;br /&gt;
  believe. he tracks her down and&lt;br /&gt;
  starts playing mind games with her.&lt;br /&gt;
  if you've seen 'fatal attraction'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  just reverse the roles.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  rating: joe ruben did an excellent&lt;br /&gt;
          job with his flick.&lt;br /&gt;
          there's enough to keep all&lt;br /&gt;
          on the edge, right up to the&lt;br /&gt;
          end. you'll like that!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                       rating: 90%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 reviews by deltar/tsm&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  here's another of those radical&lt;br /&gt;
  board reviews, this time we had a&lt;br /&gt;
  closer look at the mad mad world...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  board : mad mad world&lt;br /&gt;
  group : paramount&lt;br /&gt;
  sysop : damage inc.&lt;br /&gt;
  number: XXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  first a little introduction given by&lt;br /&gt;
  the sysop himself:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 'i put the board up about 3.5 years&lt;br /&gt;
  ago, i was nfi hq at first, but it&lt;br /&gt;
  only lasted about 2 weeks, then i met&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  karate kid and tricket of dominators&lt;br /&gt;
  and decided to go with dom.&lt;br /&gt;
  macro nit &amp;amp;amp; dogfriend were the two&lt;br /&gt;
  main callers at that time...&lt;br /&gt;
  i was dom for about 2 years, then the&lt;br /&gt;
  lame english dudes got in dom. the&lt;br /&gt;
  thought that they were so good (where&lt;br /&gt;
  are they now ?? jade+icecube, hehe)&lt;br /&gt;
  well, anyway, i kicked dom off and&lt;br /&gt;
  about 2-3 weeks later i got paramount&lt;br /&gt;
  and that lasted until now,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  i get anywhere from 20-50 calls a day&lt;br /&gt;
  (on a good day), all the cool euros&lt;br /&gt;
  have n/a and a lot of the usa-dudes&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  have n/a too.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  on the board i have 1-81, 1-71, 3-41,&lt;br /&gt;
  1-8250 (2.5 megs)'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  besides the usual subboards, also&lt;br /&gt;
  an amiga- and a code-sub is available&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  for the newest uploads are usually&lt;br /&gt;
  made by the paramount members,&lt;br /&gt;
  especially sting who carries all the&lt;br /&gt;
  0 dayers to the board.&lt;br /&gt;
  the user-list shows a lot of people,&lt;br /&gt;
  many of them didn't call for years(?)&lt;br /&gt;
  (ed. i had a good love when i saw&lt;br /&gt;
   stingray/crazy there)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  nevertheless, some elite people are&lt;br /&gt;
  calling the board, but i also don't&lt;br /&gt;
  want conceil that about 30-50% of the&lt;br /&gt;
  posts are made by paramount(pandora)&lt;br /&gt;
  members only!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the board could certainly use some&lt;br /&gt;
  fresh blood!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  judgement&lt;br /&gt;
  ---------&lt;br /&gt;
  users             60%&lt;br /&gt;
  sysop's character 70%&lt;br /&gt;
  subboards/posts   50%&lt;br /&gt;
  speed             89%&lt;br /&gt;
  total.............67%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  yes, we also got something very&lt;br /&gt;
  original in this issue, it is georg&lt;br /&gt;
  bo-sky of abary reporting about the&lt;br /&gt;
  american and german beer-scene !!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  in case you are interested you&lt;br /&gt;
  certainly know what to press ?!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  'hello!&lt;br /&gt;
  this is georg bo-sky with a report&lt;br /&gt;
  about one of my hobbies, that is...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  ...beer !&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  first i'll give you a little story,&lt;br /&gt;
  how the business began.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  beer has been brewed in germany since&lt;br /&gt;
  the beginning of the 9th century. in&lt;br /&gt;
  1516 a decree on quality was passed&lt;br /&gt;
  which states the only hops, malt,&lt;br /&gt;
  yeast and water should be used for&lt;br /&gt;
  brewing. this still applies and the&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  following method is used.&lt;br /&gt;
  brewer's malt-obtained from barley&lt;br /&gt;
  after soaking, germination and&lt;br /&gt;
  roasting- is mixed with water and&lt;br /&gt;
  hops which flavout the must, and&lt;br /&gt;
  boiled. yeast is added and the must&lt;br /&gt;
  is left to ferment. today about&lt;br /&gt;
  1400 breweries in germany produce&lt;br /&gt;
  more than 4000 kinds of beer which&lt;br /&gt;
  vary in taste, colour and alcohol&lt;br /&gt;
  content. in restaurants and pubs&lt;br /&gt;
  (german: kneipen), beer is generally&lt;br /&gt;
  on draught, popular beers koelsch,&lt;br /&gt;
  alt, export, pils (my favourite one)&lt;br /&gt;
  maerzen and beer from wheatgerm (yo&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  deejay and cure, hope you know what&lt;br /&gt;
  i mean) are light and 3-4% proof.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  strong beers are bockbeer and doppel-&lt;br /&gt;
  bock. they are rich in malt and&lt;br /&gt;
  5-6% proof. these are light in the&lt;br /&gt;
  south (munich, stuttgart), stronger&lt;br /&gt;
  and more bitter in the rhineland&lt;br /&gt;
  (cologne, dortmund) and sweeter in&lt;br /&gt;
  berlin.&lt;br /&gt;
  dark beers (roasted malt) may seem&lt;br /&gt;
  rather sugary (rauch-, bock-, and&lt;br /&gt;
  malzbier).&lt;br /&gt;
  on the next page you'll find a hit-&lt;br /&gt;
  list of my favourite beers :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
          hitlist of good beers&lt;br /&gt;
         -----------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  10. rheder pils and tuborg&lt;br /&gt;
  09. krombacher&lt;br /&gt;
  08. bitburger&lt;br /&gt;
  07. einbecker&lt;br /&gt;
  06. pilsener urquell&lt;br /&gt;
  05. herforder&lt;br /&gt;
  04. koenig&lt;br /&gt;
  03. budweiser&lt;br /&gt;
  02. veltins&lt;br /&gt;
  and the winner is...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
        01. wuerzburger hofbraeu'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  ok, and here's the very informative&lt;br /&gt;
  report on the american beer-scene...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  'concentration in us beer-market;&lt;br /&gt;
  the three 'bigs' rule 57% percent of&lt;br /&gt;
  the market;&lt;br /&gt;
  lack of money in the small companies&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the american beer market (volume&lt;br /&gt;
  almost 200 mill. barrels = 217 mill.&lt;br /&gt;
  hektoliter is dominated by the 3 big&lt;br /&gt;
  companies of that trade anheuser&lt;br /&gt;
  busch, miller and coors.&lt;br /&gt;
  they hold meanwhile 75% of the market&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the german beer market reverse mainly&lt;br /&gt;
  to medium size companies. their total&lt;br /&gt;
  output 1990 was 104.4 mill hectoliter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the concentration in the us-market&lt;br /&gt;
  will continue because owing to the&lt;br /&gt;
  recession the small companies can not&lt;br /&gt;
  afford the high advertisments-costs&lt;br /&gt;
  and the rigid price-dumpings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the problems of the small companies&lt;br /&gt;
  make the big companies growing even&lt;br /&gt;
  faster.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  anheuser-busch, the biggest brewery,&lt;br /&gt;
  increased the output by 7% in the&lt;br /&gt;
  last year to totally 101.2 mill hl,&lt;br /&gt;
  the output of miller, who belongs to&lt;br /&gt;
  the phillip-morris group, was 50,8&lt;br /&gt;
  mill hl, and the sales increase of&lt;br /&gt;
  coors was 9%.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the activities of foreign breweries&lt;br /&gt;
  are not very important in the us-&lt;br /&gt;
  market, they keep only 4.5% of the&lt;br /&gt;
  market. additionally the low us-&lt;br /&gt;
  dollar prevents larger sales of&lt;br /&gt;
  european importers, mainly heineken&lt;br /&gt;
  (denmark), tuborg (denmark), becks&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  (germany), loewenbraeu (bavaria).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  more over there are some breweries of&lt;br /&gt;
  canada, mexico and japan.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the americans however, prefer by and&lt;br /&gt;
  by the light beer which is a similar&lt;br /&gt;
  development like in europe.&lt;br /&gt;
  meanwhile almost every third bottle&lt;br /&gt;
  of beer brewn in the states is a&lt;br /&gt;
  light beer, also beers without&lt;br /&gt;
  alcohol show increasing sales.'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  as everybody knows i'm a big beer&lt;br /&gt;
  fan. for example i don't drink beer&lt;br /&gt;
  as much as i can...no, i'm also a&lt;br /&gt;
  collector of beerlabels too.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  everyone who reads this, is called up&lt;br /&gt;
  to send me these lables from pils&lt;br /&gt;
  beer bottles.&lt;br /&gt;
  please put the bottles over night&lt;br /&gt;
  into some water, on the next morning&lt;br /&gt;
  the lables are looser from the glass.&lt;br /&gt;
  please dry it up, and send it with&lt;br /&gt;
  some new stuff to :&lt;br /&gt;
            XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
            XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
            XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  uff, very dry stuff, but there are&lt;br /&gt;
  certanly some interested people&lt;br /&gt;
  among the readership (well, i'm sure&lt;br /&gt;
  there always are some!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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