Gamers Guide 22
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- welcome to issue # 22 of - | - welcome to issue # 22 of - | ||
− | + | THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE | |
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− | + | THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE | |
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the very last days of february | the very last days of february | ||
bring you issue #22 | bring you issue #22 | ||
− | + | MR.AMMO, WINGO, RAVE, ACHILLES and | |
− | + | JERRY did the game testing. | |
this time a lot of files could not | this time a lot of files could not | ||
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<pre> | <pre> | ||
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− | - | + | - CHAPTER 2 - |
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− | + | THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE | |
------- the well earned credits ------ | ------- the well earned credits ------ | ||
− | + | INTRO | |
code king fisher | code king fisher | ||
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graphics chorus+dane | graphics chorus+dane | ||
− | + | GUIDE | |
− | original idea by | + | original idea by INJUN INC |
code king fisher | code king fisher | ||
music alfatech | music alfatech | ||
graphics none. layout - jerry | graphics none. layout - jerry | ||
− | + | TEXT ED rico of pretzel logic. | |
− | + | EDITORS jerry and guests | |
− | + | THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE | |
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− | games are added to the | + | games are added to the GUIDE as soon |
as you send them to us. they may stay | as you send them to us. they may stay | ||
− | in | + | in THE GUIDE for up to three months |
giving all a chance to appear. | giving all a chance to appear. | ||
− | we want | + | we want ALL versions in THE GUIDE, but |
there is no way we can hunt for them. | there is no way we can hunt for them. | ||
− | we need | + | we need YOUR HELP to send them to us. |
at least we test them, but mostly we | at least we test them, but mostly we | ||
also try to play through them. thus we | also try to play through them. thus we | ||
− | do | + | do NOT accept only written reports. |
versions are listed in order of their | versions are listed in order of their | ||
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open to all the readers. | open to all the readers. | ||
− | + | THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE | |
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a separate highscore file is noted as | a separate highscore file is noted as | ||
− | an | + | an H in the number-of-files column. |
the length is included in the blocks. | the length is included in the blocks. | ||
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the symbols used mean .. . . . | the symbols used mean .. . . . | ||
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− | + | F - number of files.... | |
− | - | + | -H - highscore saver.... |
added to the game.. | added to the game.. | ||
− | - | + | -P - picture in file.... |
-# - dox with the crack. | -# - dox with the crack. | ||
− | - | + | -I - iffl routine....... |
− | - | + | -F - fastloader added... |
− | + | L - length in blocks... | |
h-file included.... | h-file included.... | ||
− | + | C - number of cheats... | |
− | - | + | -P - passwords given.... |
* indicates > - something ......... | * indicates > - something ......... | ||
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:(comment on > - something less nice | :(comment on > - something less nice | ||
− | + | THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE | |
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if you think that a crack or even a | if you think that a crack or even a | ||
group is better than the others, it is | group is better than the others, it is | ||
− | your | + | your OWN business. send your votes to |
one of the standard mags if you like. | one of the standard mags if you like. | ||
− | if we find a version to be | + | if we find a version to be FAR better |
− | we may | + | we may FLASH it to make you note this. |
the understanding of the game and the | the understanding of the game and the | ||
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smart actions like a good iffl routine | smart actions like a good iffl routine | ||
cleanout of crap-code and so on, could | cleanout of crap-code and so on, could | ||
− | make us add this rare | + | make us add this rare FLASH. |
− | however, | + | however, THE GUIDE does NOT rank the |
cracks presented. | cracks presented. | ||
− | + | WHO? ME? WHERE? | |
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− | + | JERRY editor | |
XXX XX | XXX XX | ||
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sorry, no more game swopping, please! | sorry, no more game swopping, please! | ||
− | call | + | call THE STUDIO at: |
+XX-XXX-XXXXX. | +XX-XXX-XXXXX. | ||
leave your latest news in the special | leave your latest news in the special | ||
− | sub for | + | sub for THE GAMERS GUIDE or upload a |
− | text file for inclusion in | + | text file for inclusion in THE GUIDE. |
− | + | WHO? ME? WHERE? | |
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these 3 members, want more contacts! | these 3 members, want more contacts! | ||
− | + | AVATAR XXXXXX XXXXXXX | |
XXXXXXXXXX XX | XXXXXXXXXX XX | ||
XXX XX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX | XXX XX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX | ||
− | + | ACHILLES XXXXX XXXXXXXX | |
XXXXXXXXXX XX | XXXXXXXXXX XX | ||
XXX XX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX | XXX XX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX | ||
− | + | WINGO XXXXXX XXXXXXXX | |
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX | XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX | ||
XXX XX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX | XXX XX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX | ||
---> | ---> | ||
− | + | WHO? ME? WHERE? | |
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− | + | RAVE XXXXXX XXXXXXXXX | |
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX | XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX | ||
XXX XX XXXXXXX XXXXXX | XXX XX XXXXXXX XXXXXX | ||
− | + | MR.AMMO XXXX XXXXXX | |
XXXXXXXX XXX | XXXXXXXX XXX | ||
XXXX XX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX | XXXX XX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX | ||
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− | + | CA$H swops only. | |
no testing of your games. | no testing of your games. | ||
> | > | ||
− | + | TRIAD MEMBER STATUS LATE FEBRUARY 1994 | |
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− | + | SWEDEN | |
jerry sailor | jerry sailor | ||
king fisher cash | king fisher cash | ||
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wingo achilles | wingo achilles | ||
− | + | HOLLAND NORWAY | |
mr.ammo jfk | mr.ammo jfk | ||
m | m | ||
− | + | POLAND killsquad | |
owen | owen | ||
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the symbols used mean .. . . . | the symbols used mean .. . . . | ||
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− | + | F - number of files.... | |
− | - | + | -H - highscore saver.... |
added to the game.. | added to the game.. | ||
− | - | + | -P - picture in file.... |
-# - dox with the crack. | -# - dox with the crack. | ||
− | - | + | -I - iffl routine....... |
− | - | + | -F - fastloader added... |
− | + | L - length in blocks... | |
h-file included.... | h-file included.... | ||
− | + | C - number of cheats... | |
− | - | + | -P - passwords given.... |
* indicates > - something ......... | * indicates > - something ......... | ||
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− | + | SEUCK border blast 2 w2 | |
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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:(sound and gfx bug | :(sound and gfx bug | ||
− | :(game doesn´t start in | + | :(game doesn´t start in HI-SCORE-mode! |
:(:( gfk-bug. game hangs up on level2 in | :(:( gfk-bug. game hangs up on level2 in | ||
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− | have you read the end? i agree with | + | have you read the end? i agree with CZ |
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:(cheat and you die all the time!!! | :(cheat and you die all the time!!! | ||
− | this is | + | this is NOT the same game as the one |
released a year ago or so. | released a year ago or so. | ||
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this is a text adventure in 3 parts. | this is a text adventure in 3 parts. | ||
the two first parts gives a password | the two first parts gives a password | ||
− | to get into the following part. | + | to get into the following part. ILS |
gives you those. however, it is | gives you those. however, it is | ||
probably a very good idea to do the | probably a very good idea to do the | ||
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the two first parts were released | the two first parts were released | ||
− | also under | + | also under BEATNCIKS as two separate |
and runable files. | and runable files. | ||
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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− | triad /sailor | + | triad /sailor 1H 55 --- |
elite /agent 1 60 --- | elite /agent 1 60 --- | ||
accuse /ream 1 62 +1 | accuse /ream 1 62 +1 | ||
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--- /d-ram 1 71 +1 | --- /d-ram 1 71 +1 | ||
amnesia /calypso 1 72 +1 | amnesia /calypso 1 72 +1 | ||
− | epic /--- | + | epic /--- 1H 75 +1 |
excess /sentinel * 1 76 +1 | excess /sentinel * 1 76 +1 | ||
----------------------- 1 more ------> | ----------------------- 1 more ------> | ||
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levels don´t update | levels don´t update | ||
− | + | SEUCK fighting racer new | |
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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trc /--- :( 11 142 +2 | trc /--- :( 11 142 +2 | ||
mayhem /met :( 11 148 +2 | mayhem /met :( 11 148 +2 | ||
− | avantgarde/jack a. | + | avantgarde/jack a. BUGGED 2i 149 +3 |
epic /mason+eddie v2 1i 149 +2 | epic /mason+eddie v2 1i 149 +2 | ||
epic /eddie v1 11 151 +2 | epic /eddie v1 11 151 +2 | ||
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:(graphix bugs | :(graphix bugs | ||
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− | + | INTRO PICTURE REMOVED | |
success /raze+hi-lite:(11 141 +4 | success /raze+hi-lite:(11 141 +4 | ||
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accuse /--- 1h 89 +1 | accuse /--- 1h 89 +1 | ||
amnesi /calypso 1h 92 --- | amnesi /calypso 1h 92 --- | ||
− | mayhem /met | + | mayhem /met NO TFC! 1 92 +1 |
--- /d-ram 1h 96 --- | --- /d-ram 1h 96 --- | ||
dytec /lbm 1h 97 *+2 | dytec /lbm 1h 97 *+2 | ||
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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− | :(afl - saves | + | :(afl - saves HI also in cheat mode |
* ultd money doesn´t work properly in | * ultd money doesn´t work properly in | ||
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the symbols used mean .. . . . | the symbols used mean .. . . . | ||
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− | + | F - number of files.... | |
− | - | + | -H - highscore saver.... |
added to the game.. | added to the game.. | ||
− | - | + | -P - picture in file.... |
-# - dox with the crack. | -# - dox with the crack. | ||
− | - | + | -I - iffl routine....... |
− | - | + | -F - fastloader added... |
− | + | L - length in blocks... | |
h-file included.... | h-file included.... | ||
− | + | C - number of cheats... | |
− | - | + | -P - passwords given.... |
* indicates > - something ......... | * indicates > - something ......... | ||
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mechanix /mason 1 84 +3 | mechanix /mason 1 84 +3 | ||
illusion /d-ram 1 87 +2 | illusion /d-ram 1 87 +2 | ||
− | trc /jack a. | + | trc /jack a. NO TFC 1 89 +3 |
success /brush 1 91 +2 | success /brush 1 91 +2 | ||
cli+boys /2ny 1 91 +2 | cli+boys /2ny 1 91 +2 | ||
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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− | + | HAIN translated the creds, but left | |
the rest of the text in polish and | the rest of the text in polish and | ||
spread it as an original. | spread it as an original. | ||
− | the | + | the TRIAD version is the only one with |
− | + | ALL text translated. | |
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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− | -- | + | -- INTRO INCLUDED -- |
shazam /morbid 4h 200 --- | shazam /morbid 4h 200 --- | ||
epic /stephen 5h 240 +3 | epic /stephen 5h 240 +3 | ||
− | -- | + | -- INTRO REMOVED -- |
cherubs /stake 1h ?157 +3 | cherubs /stake 1h ?157 +3 | ||
− | + | FAIRLIGHT /BACCHUS 100% 2H 166 +2 | |
dytec /lbm 2 183 +3 | dytec /lbm 2 183 +3 | ||
illusion /d-ram 2h 214 +2 | illusion /d-ram 2h 214 +2 | ||
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excess /gash !! 7 480 +4 | excess /gash !! 7 480 +4 | ||
citadell /allitaice :(2i 509 +2 | citadell /allitaice :(2i 509 +2 | ||
− | pandora /shoot | + | pandora /shoot IS+7! 8f 536 +6 |
----------------comments & more -----> | ----------------comments & more -----> | ||
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− | :( | + | :(HI-SCORE doesn´t save! |
quest of kron w2 | quest of kron w2 | ||
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this is basically the same game as | this is basically the same game as | ||
− | + | TURBO CART RACER released x-mas 1990, | |
but this version has a lot more play- | but this version has a lot more play- | ||
options and also the bikes now are 3-d | options and also the bikes now are 3-d | ||
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− | :( | + | :(Q doesn´t work! sprite and gfx bugs |
smashball w2 | smashball w2 | ||
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− | + | SEUCK super strike new | |
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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− | + | SEUCK x-fighter new | |
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group / cracker f. l. c. | group / cracker f. l. c. | ||
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− | + | PARTY | |
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− | + | EQUINOX-TRSI-IMPACT-TRIAD-EXTREME | |
− | - | + | - OFFICIAL SUMMER PARTY - |
− | + | THE HIGHLAND CONFERENCE 1994 | |
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− | + | PARTY | |
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place in the city of jönköping/sweden. | place in the city of jönköping/sweden. | ||
we are planning to be at the sports | we are planning to be at the sports | ||
− | center called | + | center called IDROTTSHUSET. however, |
we may move it to one of two other big | we may move it to one of two other big | ||
conference locations, but you will all | conference locations, but you will all | ||
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− | + | PARTY | |
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best is to pay the entrance fee to | best is to pay the entrance fee to | ||
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a token of his payment. | a token of his payment. | ||
− | + | PARTY | |
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− | + | PARTY | |
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- there will be a party channel | - there will be a party channel | ||
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invited and will be present | invited and will be present | ||
− | - | + | - IQ contest. who is the brightest |
on the scene. | on the scene. | ||
− | - | + | - AMIGA unplugged. watch it do zilch? |
sweden is famed for it´s beautiful | sweden is famed for it´s beautiful | ||
women. naturally we will award a | women. naturally we will award a | ||
− | + | MISS SCENE award as well as some other | |
appropriate scene awards. | appropriate scene awards. | ||
− | + | PARTY | |
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the scene awards ceremony will | the scene awards ceremony will | ||
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− | + | PARTY | |
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number for you to use at the voting. | number for you to use at the voting. | ||
− | + | PARTY | |
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64 entries will have to work on all | 64 entries will have to work on all | ||
− | standard | + | standard CBM equipment without |
assistance of a cartridge or similar | assistance of a cartridge or similar | ||
extras. | extras. | ||
− | + | PARTY | |
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− | -- | + | -- AMIGA COMPETITION PRICES -- |
demo music graphix intro | demo music graphix intro | ||
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3. 3000 500 500 500 | 3. 3000 500 500 500 | ||
− | -- | + | -- C64 COMPETITION PRIZES -- |
demo music graphix. | demo music graphix. | ||
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1 4000 1000 1000 prices | 1 4000 1000 1000 prices | ||
2. 2000 500 500 in | 2. 2000 500 500 in | ||
− | 3. 1000 300 300 | + | 3. 1000 300 300 SEK. |
− | + | PARTY | |
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− | -- | + | -- PARTY RULES -- |
you will be held economically | you will be held economically | ||
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from the premeses. | from the premeses. | ||
− | + | PARTY | |
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− | + | PARTY | |
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if you have some comments to make or | if you have some comments to make or | ||
some other requests for making a nice | some other requests for making a nice | ||
− | party, please contact | + | party, please contact JERRY/TRIAD. |
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− | + | PARTY | |
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− | note that this is a | + | note that this is a PRELIMINARY |
invitation to allow you to plan for | invitation to allow you to plan for | ||
the summer activities. | the summer activities. | ||
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the last page --> | the last page --> | ||
− | + | PARTY | |
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a more detailed invitation will be | a more detailed invitation will be | ||
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− | + | THE TRIAD GAMER´S GUIDE | |
will keep you posted | will keep you posted | ||
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− | + | JERRY | |
− | + | DUEL NEEDS YOU | |
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--> | --> | ||
− | + | DUEL NEEDS YOU | |
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− | + | HIBISCH OF DUEL THC OF DUEL | |
XXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX | XXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX | ||
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− | + | BUT REMEMBER THIS: | |
do only send your own group´s magazine | do only send your own group´s magazine | ||
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häpp! | häpp! | ||
− | + | WHY? | |
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− | + | THE HOME CORNER | |
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− | + | AVATAR and ACHILLES have both joined | |
− | + | TRIAD as swoppers and game testers as | |
their chief responsibility. | their chief responsibility. | ||
− | + | AVATAR however, is also an artist on | |
paper and screen. | paper and screen. | ||
− | + | ACHILLES is also capable of some | |
coding and cracking. | coding and cracking. | ||
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--> | --> | ||
− | + | YOHO? | |
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but not a corner in sight. nada! | but not a corner in sight. nada! | ||
− | + | CORNERED | |
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i´ll try my best to get everyone | i´ll try my best to get everyone | ||
writing till next time. | writing till next time. | ||
− | + | JERRY | |
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the place for | the place for | ||
− | your reactions on | + | your reactions on THE GUIDE. |
our answers to them. | our answers to them. | ||
our reactions on happenings. | our reactions on happenings. | ||
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− | + | RE-RELEASES ? | |
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in #21 you could read my comment on | in #21 you could read my comment on | ||
− | a statement from | + | a statement from CUNT ZERO that we |
list re-released games. | list re-released games. | ||
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he was saying. | he was saying. | ||
− | while having a chat with | + | while having a chat with BACCHUS of |
− | + | FAIRLIGHT i realized that CUNT ZERO | |
− | had talked to | + | had talked to HIM about the things |
− | that had bugged | + | that had bugged CUNT ZERO. how clever! |
once again it was just luck that i was | once again it was just luck that i was | ||
informed. | informed. | ||
− | + | RE-RELEASE ? | |
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to my amazement i learned that what | to my amazement i learned that what | ||
had caused the comment on re-released | had caused the comment on re-released | ||
games, were the series of text | games, were the series of text | ||
− | adventures released by | + | adventures released by CROSSFIRE. |
− | since | + | since CUNT ZERO hates the guts of |
− | + | CROSSFIRE, he was only too happy to | |
find what he thought was re-releases. | find what he thought was re-releases. | ||
in his hate, he disconnected the brain | in his hate, he disconnected the brain | ||
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i have some 50 disks with similar | i have some 50 disks with similar | ||
1-filed text adventures. still not one | 1-filed text adventures. still not one | ||
− | of those adventures released by | + | of those adventures released by X-FIRE |
− | is in my collection. if | + | is in my collection. if CUNT ZERO |
maintains that those are re-releases, | maintains that those are re-releases, | ||
he will have to prove it to me. | he will have to prove it to me. | ||
− | + | RE-RELEASE ? | |
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− | what | + | what CUNT ZERO had seen in those |
games was a copy right stamp from | games was a copy right stamp from | ||
1980-something. | 1980-something. | ||
− | what | + | what CUNT ZERO didn´t realize was |
that this is the copy right stamp from | that this is the copy right stamp from | ||
the game editor that was used to make | the game editor that was used to make | ||
those text adventures. an editor just | those text adventures. an editor just | ||
− | like the | + | like the SEUCK editor. |
− | in other words, | + | in other words, CUNT ZERO was wrong. |
then again, aren´t we all wrong at | then again, aren´t we all wrong at | ||
one time or other in life? | one time or other in life? | ||
− | + | JERRY | |
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− | + | RE-RELEASED | |
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− | what | + | what CUNT ZERO couldn´t know when he |
complained about # 20 was that there | complained about # 20 was that there | ||
would indeed be a re-released game | would indeed be a re-released game | ||
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some other lists i have. it was not on | some other lists i have. it was not on | ||
any of them. one of those lists is | any of them. one of those lists is | ||
− | dated | + | dated JUNE 1986 and there are 1500 |
old games on it. | old games on it. | ||
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me that it probably was an old --> | me that it probably was an old --> | ||
− | + | RE-RELEASED | |
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− | game, that i looked through | + | game, that i looked through ALL my old |
files to make sure. | files to make sure. | ||
i found it on an old list from the | i found it on an old list from the | ||
usa and also on the list from | usa and also on the list from | ||
− | + | ANTITRACK. true, i don´t know for sure | |
that it is the same game, but it would | that it is the same game, but it would | ||
surprice me if it is not. | surprice me if it is not. | ||
− | our policy for | + | our policy for THE GUIDE is to NOT |
include games that are re-releases. | include games that are re-releases. | ||
however, if we miss some old game, we | however, if we miss some old game, we | ||
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importance that public flogging is | importance that public flogging is | ||
called for. after all, no one will die | called for. after all, no one will die | ||
− | from it! | + | from it! JERRY |
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− | + | IMPROVING? | |
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− | + | ZIZYPHUS/ONEWAY states that when | |
someone tries to improve one of his | someone tries to improve one of his | ||
packers or crunchers, the result is, | packers or crunchers, the result is, | ||
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a good example of this, can be seen | a good example of this, can be seen | ||
− | in some cracks made by | + | in some cracks made by MINISTRY of |
− | + | GENESIS PROJECT. those cracks don´t | |
work on a 128 because the cruncher | work on a 128 because the cruncher | ||
fucks up $d030. great coding! | fucks up $d030. great coding! | ||
− | + | JERRY | |
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− | / | + | /JERRY |
over the years, once in a while, | over the years, once in a while, | ||
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or whatever was missing before. | or whatever was missing before. | ||
− | + | REFRESHED OLDIES | |
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in the last days of 93 i got a disk | in the last days of 93 i got a disk | ||
− | with 4 older games. | + | with 4 older games. URIDIUM, PARADROID |
− | + | FRUITMACHINE and VIORIS. the first two | |
− | are true old legends while | + | are true old legends while VIORIS is |
not very old at all. | not very old at all. | ||
at about the same time i got the | at about the same time i got the | ||
− | magazine | + | magazine MAGNESS which held an article |
suggesting just this, making modern | suggesting just this, making modern | ||
versions of real old games. | versions of real old games. | ||
− | this new version of | + | this new version of URIDIUM is the |
perfect example of what a new version | perfect example of what a new version | ||
− | should | + | should NOT look like. it was just |
terrible, with severe bugs and missing | terrible, with severe bugs and missing | ||
items. | items. | ||
− | + | REFRESHED OLDIES | |
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− | if a | + | if a GOD stepped down and told me i |
could keep 10 games and all the other | could keep 10 games and all the other | ||
several thousand games i have, would | several thousand games i have, would | ||
− | go up in smoke, | + | go up in smoke, URIDIUM would be one |
of those ten games i´d keep. | of those ten games i´d keep. | ||
i have played it over and over again | i have played it over and over again | ||
− | and i have played | + | and i have played URIDIUM+, URIDIUM3 |
− | and | + | and URIDIUM4. i know what they should |
look like. | look like. | ||
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to do a good job out of it. there is | to do a good job out of it. there is | ||
no excuse for a crap version, so all i | no excuse for a crap version, so all i | ||
− | can say is: | + | can say is: CASE/ENTROPY - lame off! |
− | + | REFRESHED OLDIES | |
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− | + | MAGNESS sugested making new versions | |
of old games to keep the cracker scene | of old games to keep the cracker scene | ||
alive as fresh games get more scarse. | alive as fresh games get more scarse. | ||
− | this is | + | this is NOT a good reason. the |
− | crummy version of | + | crummy version of URIDIUM shows only |
too well what this would lead to. | too well what this would lead to. | ||
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by the dozens in hope to gain fame. we | by the dozens in hope to gain fame. we | ||
would be flooded with crap versions of | would be flooded with crap versions of | ||
− | old games and | + | old games and THAT would be sure to |
harm the scene. | harm the scene. | ||
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− | then what | + | then what IS a good reason for new |
versions of old games? | versions of old games? | ||
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--> | --> | ||
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there are several old games that in | there are several old games that in | ||
my opinion would become playable if | my opinion would become playable if | ||
− | they had a cheat option. | + | they had a cheat option. BACCHUS of |
− | + | FAIRLIGHT said that: once a game has | |
been played with cheat mode, no one | been played with cheat mode, no one | ||
wants to play it without cheat. | wants to play it without cheat. | ||
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that may be true for many games, but | that may be true for many games, but | ||
it only shows that the game is bad. i | it only shows that the game is bad. i | ||
− | have played | + | have played URIDIUM and KRACKOUT with |
cheat and i still love to play them | cheat and i still love to play them | ||
for real to feel the callenge. | for real to feel the callenge. | ||
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play as they are. possibility to --> | play as they are. possibility to --> | ||
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neutralize the hopless aspect of the | neutralize the hopless aspect of the | ||
game may make it interesting. | game may make it interesting. | ||
− | two possible such games are | + | two possible such games are V and |
− | + | MIAMI VICE. at least I, hate to mess | |
− | with the door decoder in | + | with the door decoder in V and i hate |
− | the over sensitive cars in | + | the over sensitive cars in MIAMI VICE. |
but mind you, just giving me endless | but mind you, just giving me endless | ||
− | tries in | + | tries in MIAMI VICE would be of no |
help. i need to be able to touch a | help. i need to be able to touch a | ||
curbstone or a car and still be able | curbstone or a car and still be able | ||
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another thing missing in most older | another thing missing in most older | ||
− | games is a | + | games is a HI-SCORE saver. adding one |
would be a true blessing. | would be a true blessing. | ||
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that seems to never come to an end. | that seems to never come to an end. | ||
− | + | REFRESHED OLDIES | |
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or worse, you have to tell the game | or worse, you have to tell the game | ||
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killing routines, could justify --> | killing routines, could justify --> | ||
− | + | REFRESHED OLDIES | |
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making a modern version of an old game. | making a modern version of an old game. | ||
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so, what i say is: let us accept | so, what i say is: let us accept | ||
− | + | NEW/OLD versons, but ONLY if they are | |
done following some strict rules. | done following some strict rules. | ||
first of all, let us demand that a | first of all, let us demand that a | ||
− | + | NEW/OLD game is labeled as such. | |
i suggest that we all agree to use | i suggest that we all agree to use | ||
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version of an old game. | version of an old game. | ||
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then people will know what they get | then people will know what they get | ||
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to make sure this doesn´t turn into | to make sure this doesn´t turn into | ||
− | + | REFRESHED OLDIES | |
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a masshysteria for the beginners or | a masshysteria for the beginners or | ||
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the second best is to punish people | the second best is to punish people | ||
− | and | + | and THAT is easy. bad new versions of |
old games could be flogged in public. | old games could be flogged in public. | ||
that would hopefully keep things on a | that would hopefully keep things on a | ||
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what about this all? tell me! | what about this all? tell me! | ||
− | + | JERRY | |
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-------------------------------------- - welcome to issue # 22 of - THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE -------------------------------------- 1. this menu 2. credits, info and addies 3. games a - g 4. games h - z 5. hey! look at this! 6. the empty corner 7. reactions 8. advocating an opinion -------------------------------------- - joy l/r for pages - joy l/r + fire for chapters - shift/lock turns off logo swing -------------------------------------- THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE -------------------------------------- the very last days of february bring you issue #22 MR.AMMO, WINGO, RAVE, ACHILLES and JERRY did the game testing. this time a lot of files could not be loaded and tested. think! this issue is a bit thin. for the first time in ages there are just two chapters of games. this is what we can expect from now on. we have seen few reactions and no reports from our co- editors abroad, but what we have is worth reading anyway.
[edit] . credits, info and addies
-------------------------------------- - CHAPTER 2 - -------------------------------------- about the guide, the rules and how to get in touch with the guide the idea behind the guide, is to give you information of all the different versions released of a game. -------------------------------------- THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE ------- the well earned credits ------ INTRO code king fisher music dezcrator/amiga.transfered to 64 by king fisher graphics chorus+dane GUIDE original idea by INJUN INC code king fisher music alfatech graphics none. layout - jerry TEXT ED rico of pretzel logic. EDITORS jerry and guests THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE -------------------------------------- games are added to the GUIDE as soon as you send them to us. they may stay in THE GUIDE for up to three months giving all a chance to appear. we want ALL versions in THE GUIDE, but there is no way we can hunt for them. we need YOUR HELP to send them to us. at least we test them, but mostly we also try to play through them. thus we do NOT accept only written reports. versions are listed in order of their length. this was decided after voting open to all the readers. THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE -------------------------------------- here are some rules we use. separate pic, dox or other files are not counted as part of the crack. when pics are left in the game, this is noted for fair comparison. a separate highscore file is noted as an H in the number-of-files column. the length is included in the blocks. added fastloader and some sort of file-chain routine is noted. other extras are noted separately. the symbols used mean .. . . . -------------------------------------- F - number of files.... -H - highscore saver.... added to the game.. -P - picture in file.... -# - dox with the crack. -I - iffl routine....... -F - fastloader added... L - length in blocks... h-file included.... C - number of cheats... -P - passwords given.... * indicates > - something ......... :) a > - something nice .... :(comment on > - something less nice THE TRIAD GAMERS GUIDE -------------------------------------- if you think that a crack or even a group is better than the others, it is your OWN business. send your votes to one of the standard mags if you like. if we find a version to be FAR better we may FLASH it to make you note this. the understanding of the game and the play value when adding cheat mode, smart actions like a good iffl routine cleanout of crap-code and so on, could make us add this rare FLASH. however, THE GUIDE does NOT rank the cracks presented. WHO? ME? WHERE? -------------------------------------- JERRY editor XXX XX XXX XX XXXX XXXXXX +XX-XXX-XXXXX only reactions, articles and such. sorry, no more game swopping, please! call THE STUDIO at: +XX-XXX-XXXXX. leave your latest news in the special sub for THE GAMERS GUIDE or upload a text file for inclusion in THE GUIDE. WHO? ME? WHERE? -------------------------------------- these 3 members, want more contacts! AVATAR XXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XX XXX XX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX ACHILLES XXXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XX XXX XX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX WINGO XXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX XXX XX XXXXXXXX XXXXXX ---> WHO? ME? WHERE? -------------------------------------- RAVE XXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX XXX XX XXXXXXX XXXXXX MR.AMMO XXXX XXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXX XXXX XX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX CA$H swops only. no testing of your games. > TRIAD MEMBER STATUS LATE FEBRUARY 1994 -------------------------------------- SWEDEN jerry sailor king fisher cash tdm dane bismarck tango kravin twoflower tranziie rave trident avatar wingo achilles HOLLAND NORWAY mr.ammo jfk m POLAND killsquad owen
[edit] . games a - g
-------------------------------------- - chapter 3 - the games a - g -------------------------------------- a little boy was watching another boy pumping iron. - you look just like that green guy on tv. - ah! the hulk you mean? - na, kermit the frog! -------------------------------------- the symbols used mean .. . . . -------------------------------------- F - number of files.... -H - highscore saver.... added to the game.. -P - picture in file.... -# - dox with the crack. -I - iffl routine....... -F - fastloader added... L - length in blocks... h-file included.... C - number of cheats... -P - passwords given.... * indicates > - something ......... :) a > - something nice .... :(comment on > - something less nice amöba new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- chromance /--- 1 164 --- -------------------------------------- game intro separate. the chromance intro here is one of the classiest i have seen! /jerry allan border´s cricket new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- afl 70 /--- 1 151 --- -------------------------------------- p1 ballfever w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- ----- intro included ----- xenon /crazy bird :( 1p 130 +2 vision /dr.jones *1p 189 --- ----- intro not included ----- accuse /ream 1 93 +1 dytec /dodger 1 111 +1 amnesia /calypso 1 !113 +1 triad /sailor 1 114 +3 elite /tyfus 1 118 --- epic /crossfire 1 119 +2 --- /d-ram 1 124 +2 afl 70 /mark+max :(1 135 +2 ----------------------- comments ----> p2 ballfever w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- :(choose no sprite collision and the afl version can not be played! :(choose invinibility and the game can´t be completed! * some gfx-bugs on title pic -------------------------------------- bomba mad (clone) new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- success /mr.disk 1 137 --- -------------------------------------- SEUCK border blast 2 w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- ltm+rave /jessie 1 112 --- troep /gierput 1 118 +1 shazam /morbid 1 123 +2 -------------------------------------- p1 bounce it w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- palace /dr.pain 1 67 +1 triad /sailor 1h 70 +4 fairlight /bacchus 101% 1 72 +4 elite /tyfus * 1 74 --- accuse /ream 1 75 +2 equinoxe /snooze 1 83 +4 --- /d-ram 1 84 +2 tsr /cz+mr.pres. 1 86 +3 dytec /proton 1 90 +2 amnesia /calypso :(:( 1 94 +3 afl 70 /supreme :( 1h 100 +5 epic /doom 1 115 +4 mayhem /met :( 1 119 +2 ----------------------- comments ----> p2 bounce it w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- :(sound and gfx bug :(game doesn´t start in HI-SCORE-mode! :(:( gfk-bug. game hangs up on level2 in cheatmode. * gfx bug on logo! -------------------------------------- bubble game new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- equinoxe /snooze 1 27 --- -------------------------------------- castle w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- chro/dmx /mr.wax 1 177 +1 afl 70 /--- 1 197 +3 ----- intro not included ----- elite /agent 1 99 --- -------------------------------------- cheeky twins w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- red sector/count zero 2h 150 +2 chromance /mr.wax 2h 170 +1 ------ intro not included ----- dytec /dodger 1 115 +3 -------------------------------------- have you read the end? i agree with CZ circuit new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- xentrix /met 1p 79:(+1 -------------------------------------- :(cheat and you die all the time!!! this is NOT the same game as the one released a year ago or so. corya w4 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- duel /hibisch 2 237 --- active /vectra 3 238 --- illusion /sauron 4 251 --p duel /hibisch 3 310 --- this is a text adventure in 3 parts. the two first parts gives a password to get into the following part. ILS gives you those. however, it is probably a very good idea to do the parts in consecutive order. the two first parts were released also under BEATNCIKS as two separate and runable files. crazy zue plus new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- trc /cba 11 105 +3 -------------------------------------- crush´em up w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- accuse /ream 1h 29 --- beatnik /w.k.w. 1h 31 --- ultimate /powernose 4 60 --- -------------------------------------- curse of volcan w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- duel /hibisch 1 129 --- mayhem /met 1 140 --- beatnicks /w.k.w. 1 146 --- epic /mason 1 153 --- -------------------------------------- another text adventure cyberblocks new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- avantgarde/nevis+thorn 9h 207 --- -------------------------------------- the versions we have seen before, were not complete. cyclone new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- editor included afl /lcf 2i 109 --p excess /red rock 1 129 --- ---------------------------------- editor separate fairlight /bacchus 2 83 --- slash /axe 1 102 --p -------------------------------------- darktower new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- motiv8 /tricket 1 118 --- -------------------------------------- text adventure declem new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- fairlight /bacchus 1 82 +1:( tlf /arschvixer 1 111 +2 --- /d-ram 1 112 +1 crypt /nevis+thorn 1 113 +4 -------------------------------------- :(you don´t get to the next level in cheat mode! the orry has a gfx=bug thorn says this is an old game and still he cracks it! is it? dinox new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- dytec /dodger 2i 114 +3* is this a true pd-game? -------------------------------------- * really +4 disc-o-very w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- success /moren 1p 72 +1:( ikari/dmx /just ice 1p 97 --- fire /q-tip+plug ii 1p 106 +3 ----------------------------------- vagabonds /mindcrime 1 64 +2 x-factor /hercules 1 67 --- accuse /ream 1 69 --- triad /bismarck 1 71 --- f4cg /sneaper 1 79 +3 illusion /d-ram 1 81 --- accuracy /masoko 1 82 +4 excess /sentinel 1 84 --- -------------------------------------- :(levelskip brings you back to lvl 1 p1 duel strike w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor 1H 55 --- elite /agent 1 60 --- accuse /ream 1 62 +1 xenon /crazy bird 1 66 +1 dytec /dodger 1 67 +1 afl 70 /marc * 1 68 +1 slash /axe 1 69 +1 equinoxe /snooze 1 70 +1 --- /d-ram 1 71 +1 amnesia /calypso 1 72 +1 epic /--- 1H 75 +1 excess /sentinel * 1 76 +1 ----------------------- 1 more ------> * gfx bug on the planet p2 duel strike w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- ----- load picture included ----- rsi /mp+hok 1p 90 +1 -------------------------------------- epsilon 4 w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- shazam /morbid 1 117 --- trc/emp /cba+equinoxe 1 137 +1 -------------------------------------- experience new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- scs+trc /moren 4 149 --- -------------------------------------- explosion new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- beatniks /w.k.w. 1 60 +1 -------------------------------------- levels don´t update SEUCK fighting racer new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- beatniks /w.k.w. 1 102 +2 xentrix /met 1 111 +3 -------------------------------------- another total trash! p1 fred´s back 2 w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- cli+boyz /2ny 1i 107 +2 triad /sailor 2i 121 +2 shazam /morbid 11 123 +2 trance /snooze :(11# 138 +2 dytec /dodger 11 138 +2 atlantic /jack alien :( 2i 142 +3 trc /--- :( 11 142 +2 mayhem /met :( 11 148 +2 avantgarde/jack a. BUGGED 2i 149 +3 epic /mason+eddie v2 1i 149 +2 epic /eddie v1 11 151 +2 ------------------------ more -------> :(small shots bugged. :(graphix bugs p2 fred´s back 2 w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- afl 70 /sting 2i 157 +3 excess /sentinel :( 11 160 +2 vision /x-radical 11 160 +1 :(graphix bugs -------------------------------------- INTRO PICTURE REMOVED success /raze+hi-lite:(11 141 +4 :(room on lvl 3 is bugged so the game can´t be completed! -------------------------------------- p1 frontball w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- palace /dr.pain 1h 74 --- fairlight /bacchus 1h 78 +6 elite /tyfus 1h 78 --- afl 70 /marc 1h 81 +1:( accuse /--- 1h 89 +1 amnesi /calypso 1h 92 --- mayhem /met NO TFC! 1 92 +1 --- /d-ram 1h 96 --- dytec /lbm 1h 97 *+2 cherubs /stake 1h 97 +1 epic /steven 1h 101 +1 xenon /crazy bird 1h 104 +1:( ------------------------ comments ---> p2 frontball w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- :(afl - saves HI also in cheat mode * ultd money doesn´t work properly in dytec´s version :(the xenon version crashes if you choose y,n,n,y in the cheat menu. -------------------------------------- genocide new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- beatniks /w.k.w. 5 63 +1 is it a pd game? -------------------------------------- keep pressing the button, duck and win get it w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- red sector/hok 1 125 +4 --- /d-ram :( 1 130 +3! scs+trc /cba 1 132 +3! crypt /nevis+thorn 1 149 +4 chromance /mr.wax 1 150 +4 excess /red rock 1 154 ----- game intro removed ----- dytec /dodger 1 101 +4 afl 70 /lcf 1 102 +6 equinoxe /snooze 1 108 +4 -------------------------------------- :(look at end-pic and it fucks up! the game has built in cheat options
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-------------------------------------- - chapter 4 - the games h - z -------------------------------------- darling, can you kiss me wildly like kevin costner, look me into the eyes like tom cruise and say nice things like michael fox? nope, but i can growl like lassie! -------------------------------------- the symbols used mean .. . . . -------------------------------------- F - number of files.... -H - highscore saver.... added to the game.. -P - picture in file.... -# - dox with the crack. -I - iffl routine....... -F - fastloader added... L - length in blocks... h-file included.... C - number of cheats... -P - passwords given.... * indicates > - something ......... :) a > - something nice .... :(comment on > - something less nice p1 hans kloss w3 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- shazam /morbid 1 :( 69 --- triad /sailor 100% 1 72 +3 mechanix /mason 1 84 +3 illusion /d-ram 1 87 +2 trc /jack a. NO TFC 1 89 +3 success /brush 1 91 +2 cli+boys /2ny 1 91 +2 excess /cst 1 107 +2 proxyon /otto 1 143 +2 crossline /lynx 1 151 +2 scs/dmx /brush 1 164 +2 ----------------------- comments ----> p2 hans kloss w3 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- HAIN translated the creds, but left the rest of the text in polish and spread it as an original. the TRIAD version is the only one with ALL text translated. :( in the shazam versison the drawing is totally missing, the elevator and the "guard" robots are partly missing. -------------------------------------- hyper warrior new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- xenon /crazy bird 25 651 --- -------------------------------------- jewel chest w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor 1 42 --- shazam /morbid 1 44 --- accuse /cauldron 1 51 --- scs+trc /zar 1 57 +1 crypt /thorn+nevis 1 58 --- --- /d-ram 1 60 --- genesis p./ministry 1 63 +1 afl 70 /sting 1# 78 +3 -------------------------------------- kikugi new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- chromance./mr.wax eng. 1 90 --- -------------------------------------- the king new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- talent/dmx/hain eng. 1 178 --- -------------------------------------- kulfon in demon land new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- tal/dmx /hain 1 231 +1 -------------------------------------- lethal bömbs w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- -- INTRO INCLUDED -- shazam /morbid 4h 200 --- epic /stephen 5h 240 +3 -- INTRO REMOVED -- cherubs /stake 1h ?157 +3 FAIRLIGHT /BACCHUS 100% 2H 166 +2 dytec /lbm 2 183 +3 illusion /d-ram 2h 214 +2 pand./emp /shoot 2h 227 +2 afl 70 /--- 2h 244 +6 -------------------------------------- most versions are bugged including the first release. the explosions are dead silent. someone spread the bugged orry lions of the universe w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- elite /agent 8p 292 --- success /burglar 1pi 308 +1 afl 70 /--- 8p 324 +2 ------------------------------- slash /axe 8 264 +2 dytec /dodger 8 273 +4 f4cg /sneaper+anti. 8 275 +9! epic /mason 8 283 !+3 -------------------------------------- ! they say +8 while it really is +9 ! they say +3 while it really is +4 magnetic w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor 1 30 --- palace /dr.pain 1 30 --- shazam /morbbid 1 31 --- fairlight /alchm.+bacch. 1 33 --- accuse /ream 1 39 --- amnesia /calypso 1 41 --- success /raze 1 :( 47 --- excess /cat 1 49 --- illusion /d-ram 1 50 --- dytec /lbm 1 52 --- afl 70 /martin 1 53 --- -------------------------------------- :(minor gfx-bug in demo mode mayday new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- scs+trc /cavron 1 82 +2 -------------------------------------- p1 mayhem in monsterland w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- active /trasher 7 434 +4 contrast /iceman 7 445 +1 triad /king fisher 7 448 +3 fairlight /bacchus 2i 451 +6 red sector/cz+break. ! 7# 468 +4 accuse /ream 7h 470 +2 dytec /lbm 7 474 +5 acuracy /masoko 7 476 +6 avantgarde/jack alien 7 478 +5 excess /gash !! 7 480 +4 citadell /allitaice :(2i 509 +2 pandora /shoot IS+7! 8f 536 +6 ----------------comments & more -----> p2 mayhem in monsterland w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- -- intro included -- epic /crossfire 8 480 +5 success /burglar ! 1i 505 +6 success /hain 2i 516 +4 rebels /tuc 1i 533 +7 -------------------------------------- ! scenes between sad and happy are fucked up. iffl loader doesn´r work on oceanic drives ! end sequence fucked up and game flips out at times !! doesn´t work with tfc 3 :(hid one file to make it look shorter muehle new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor 1 86 --- afl 70 /lcf 1 102 --- amnesia /calypso 1 102 --- scs+trc /cba fix 1 103 --- avantgarde/thorn 1 104 --- genesis p./ministry 1 108 --- xentrix /met 1 110 --- xenon /crazy bird 1 111 --- --- /d-ram 1 112 --- -------------------------------------- pic left in all versions nova w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor ! 1 78 +p fairlight /bacchus ! 1 79 +1* xenon /crazy bird 1 80 --p amnesia /calypso 1 96 +1 dytec /proton 1 98 +2p epic /doom 1 102 +2 -------------------------------------- ! fixed to work on a 128 * removed the need for passwords parsec new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- success /burglar 1i 459 +7 ----- game intro removed ----- collision /2ny 2i 326 +4 -------------------------------------- pac family new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- beatniks /w.k.w. 1h 97 +1 xentrix /met 1h 108 +1 -------------------------------------- perfect symetrie w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- elite /tyfus :( 1 85 --- xenon /crazy bird 1 90 +2 accuse /ream 1h 95 +1 red sector/count zero 1 101 +2 dytec /lbm :(1 103 +3 --- /d-ram 2 103 +1 excess /red rock 1 106 +3 crypt /thorn+nevis 1 112 +3 bronx /psychopath 2 112 +2 vsn/coders/x-rad.+mr.j. :(1 153 +2 -------------------------------------- :(gfx bug in the logo :(1st level skipped the first time you play. perplex 2 w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- slash /axe 2 114 +2 dytec /proton 1 119 --p triad /sailor 2 122 --p elite /agent 2 152 --- afl 70 /sting ! 1 192 +2 editor separate equinoxe /snooze 3# 151 +2p -------------------------------------- the game has a built in +2 option and an editor. ! is really +3. pro sports tennis new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- xentrix /met 1 43 --- -------------------------------------- basic! puzzle master new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- motiv 8 /mason 11h 267 +1p dytec /lbm 11h 270 +2p red sector/hok 11h 271 +1p scs+trc /zar :(11h 277 +1p -------------------------------------- :(HI-SCORE doesn´t save! quest of kron w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- l+r co-op /jessie 1 130 --- triad /jerry 1 135 --- duel /hibisch 1 135 --- illusion /d-ram 1 142 --- afl 70 /skinhead 1 142 --- amnesia /calypso 1 145 --- cherubs /stake 1 147 --- -------------------------------------- this is a text adventure reactor new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor 13h 414 --- xentrix /met 13h 417 --- avantgarde/jack alien 13h 429 +1 dytec /proton 13h 449 +1 crypt /thorn+nevis 10h 456:)+2 -------------------------------------- :)cool cheats. level + time on/off! retro torque new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor 1 127 --- genesis p./lcf 1 127 --- --- /d-ram 1 143 --- scs+trc /burglar 1 154 --- avantgarde/jack a+deff 1 164 --- -------------------------------------- this is basically the same game as TURBO CART RACER released x-mas 1990, but this version has a lot more play- options and also the bikes now are 3-d animated. saliva kid new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- rebels /t.u.c 6h 294 +2 afl 70 /--- 6h 324 +1 ----- intro removed ----- afl 70 /supreme 2h 231 +2 talent /chrysagon :( 6h 269 +3 dytec /dodger 6h 278 +1 motiiv 8 /mason 5h 285 +1 genesis p./ministry 5h 315 +2 -------------------------------------- :(Q doesn´t work! sprite and gfx bugs smashball w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- accuse /ream 1 57 +1 equinoxe /snooze 1 60 +1 red sector/hok 1 65 +1 --- /d-ram 1 66 +1 amnesia /calypso 1 68 +1 scs+trc /zar 1 72 +2 tlf /arschvixer 1 73 +1 chromance /mr.wax 1 74 +1 vision /dr.jones * 1 99 +1 crypt /thorn+nevis 1 107 +1 -------------------------------------- * music goes funky! star brain new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- motiv 8 /mason iceball 2i 239 +2 -------------------------------------- stargate new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- motiv 8 /crossfire 1h 164 --- -------------------------------------- suburban commando w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- fairlight /bacchus 2i 270 +3 accuse /ream 2i 283 +4 epic /stepen 6 286 +4 vision /decorien 2i 289 +9 avantgarde/darklord v1 6 293 +2 avantgarde/dl+ja v2 6 295 +6 rebels /t.u.c. 6 296 +8 -------------------------------------- super bouncer new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- trc /cba 1 93 --- -------------------------------------- SEUCK super strike new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- ltm+rave /jessie 1 114 --- -------------------------------------- tamer w3 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- illusion /d-ram 1 131 +2 tsr /quetzal 1 133 +1 accuse /ream 1 135 +1 active /trasher 1 135 +1 -------------------------------------- the most terrible graphix i have ever seen. is the guy colorblind? tetris new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- chromance /mr.wax 1 116 --- -------------------------------------- how lame to use the exact same name as the old classic! walker new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- bronx /psychopath 1 44 --- -------------------------------------- SEUCK x-fighter new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- xentrix /met 1 118 +3 -------------------------------------- zillion w2 -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- triad /sailor 1 69 --- accuse /cauldron 1 75 --- dytec /dodger 1 81 --- elite /tyfus 1 82 --- xenon /crazy bird 1 85 --- --- /d-ram 1 90 --- bronx /bird 1 91 --- equinoxe /snooze 1 91 --- afl 70 /sting 1 100 +1 -------------------------------------- zytron megablast new -------------------------------------- group / cracker f. l. c. -------------------------------------- avantgarde/j.a.+freestyle 1# 130 +1 avantgarde/jack alien 2 151 +1 avg/dmx /jack alien 2 168 --- --------------------------------------
[edit] . hey! look at this!
-------------------------------------- - chapter 5 - -------------------------------------- advertisements -------------------------------------- the june party duel -------------------------------------- PARTY -------------------------------------- preliminary invitation to the EQUINOX-TRSI-IMPACT-TRIAD-EXTREME - OFFICIAL SUMMER PARTY - THE HIGHLAND CONFERENCE 1994 -------------------------------------- PARTY -------------------------------------- -- when & where -- the summer conference 1994 will take place in the city of jönköping/sweden. we are planning to be at the sports center called IDROTTSHUSET. however, we may move it to one of two other big conference locations, but you will all all be informed in good time. the conference will start at: 9:00 cet friday 17/6 1994 and the doors will close at: 15:00 cet sunday 19/6 1994. PARTY -------------------------------------- best is to pay the entrance fee to our postal giro. the account number will be posted later. fee is 160 sek. upon payment, each visitor will be entered into our own spread sheet prg coded by rioter/equinox. data will be used to avoid cheating in the voting and of course to know which people are present. upon payment, each visitor will get a voting disk to use for the competi- tions. he will also get a bracelet as a token of his payment. PARTY -------------------------------------- the partyplace will seat at least 2000 persons. there will also be ample parking space for your cars, busses, private chopper, etc. the city offers an international airport if you decide to come by the company jet. - there will be freequent busses between party place and the station. - there will be a party bbs. - there will be a 24 hours cafeteria where you can buy all food you need. PARTY -------------------------------------- - there will be a party channel broadcasting 24 hours/day. - major television networks are invited and will be present - IQ contest. who is the brightest on the scene. - AMIGA unplugged. watch it do zilch? sweden is famed for it´s beautiful women. naturally we will award a MISS SCENE award as well as some other appropriate scene awards. PARTY -------------------------------------- the scene awards ceremony will follow the decoration of the winners of the computer competitions. nominees will be notified in time. you will forfeit your price if you are not present at the ceremony. the scene awards jury will mainly consist of editors from famous scene mags and some of the party staff. the jury will be selected secretly at the start of the party, so generous suck ups will have no effect. :) PARTY -------------------------------------- -- competition info -- you will have to use your voting disk after the show of the entries to the competition. the disk is then handed over to the reception. voting will be for the 5 best in each category, where your #1 will get 5 points, #2 will get 4 and so on. since those disks will have to be prepared before the entries are known, each entry will be identified by a number for you to use at the voting. PARTY -------------------------------------- a list of the entries and their numbers will be posted directly after the show to avoid confusion. at least one person has to assist at the display of each entry and he has to be available one hour before the show. if not the entry will be run by the organizing staff that can take no responsibility for doing it right. 64 entries will have to work on all standard CBM equipment without assistance of a cartridge or similar extras. PARTY -------------------------------------- -- AMIGA COMPETITION PRICES -- demo music graphix intro 1. 15000 2000 2000 2000 2. 7000 1000 1000 1000 3. 3000 500 500 500 -- C64 COMPETITION PRIZES -- demo music graphix. 1 4000 1000 1000 prices 2. 2000 500 500 in 3. 1000 300 300 SEK. PARTY -------------------------------------- -- PARTY RULES -- you will be held economically resposible for any damage you cause. fighting is not allowed. not inside, not outside the party place. all kinds of stealing and other crimes will be reported to the police. any kind of manifistation of racism or facism will be denounced and the person(s) will emedeatly be thrown out from the premeses. PARTY -------------------------------------- smokiing is not allowed inside the partyplace. if your clothing will be damaged by water or if your computer explodes in a short circuit from water, you better not break the rule against smoking. a set of well built guards will help us enforce the rules of good behaviour on the premesis. they will have no problem of escorting you out from the place or to take care of you till the arrival of the police if need be. PARTY -------------------------------------- we were requested to have an area reserved for the 64 users at this party. we will do that in hope that the 64 users will feel better at home. if you have some comments to make or some other requests for making a nice party, please contact JERRY/TRIAD. PARTY -------------------------------------- note that this is a PRELIMINARY invitation to allow you to plan for the summer activities. the exact locale for the party may change, but that will not affect the party. the pricemoney must be understood to be aproximately what we have listed, but they will be in that range. the last page --> PARTY -------------------------------------- a more detailed invitation will be spread as soon as the contract for the partyplace is signed. THE TRIAD GAMER´S GUIDE will keep you posted JERRY DUEL NEEDS YOU -------------------------------------- we, in duel, are in desperate need of members, almost everybody is needed. almost, because we don´t want childish magazine editors wo would like to publish another magazine under our label... except for this kind of guy, everybody is wellcome from coders, gfx-men, zak-men to crackers with the the right original supplier. please, no original swapper. we do not need already char-packed budgets! --> DUEL NEEDS YOU -------------------------------------- HIBISCH OF DUEL THC OF DUEL XXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXX XXXXXX X XXX XXX XXXXXXXX X XXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXX XXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXX. BUT REMEMBER THIS: do only send your own group´s magazine and nobody else´s !!! häpp! WHY? -------------------------------------- maybe you wonder why we run this ad. we think it is a lot of humour. if you can´t see the humour, sorry for you. jerry --------------------------------------
[edit] . the empty corner
-------------------------------------- - chapter 6 - the empty corner -------------------------------------- ye olde editor -------------------------------------- THE HOME CORNER -------------------------------------- AVATAR and ACHILLES have both joined TRIAD as swoppers and game testers as their chief responsibility. AVATAR however, is also an artist on paper and screen. ACHILLES is also capable of some coding and cracking. a reputed cracker has showed his interest to work for our team of quality crackers, but at this writing the decision is not taken. --> YOHO? -------------------------------------- the managing director opens the door to the world, wondering where everyone is. someone is busy dancing calypso in the tulips. say cheese said the cat. the little blue engine is nowhere to be seen. off to a trainmeet in york? out there is a cool cat playing hot jazz on the waves of the tasmanian sea but not a corner in sight. nada! CORNERED -------------------------------------- if you wonder why i didn´t at least collect some local scene news, the reason is that i am using all my energy to do this. i am running a temeprature and at this moment i am at 38.9 c or 102 f. it is not that much, but it makes me tired enough. i´ll try my best to get everyone writing till next time. JERRY --------------------------------------
[edit] . reactions
-------------------------------------- - chapter 7 - -------------------------------------- the place for your reactions on THE GUIDE. our answers to them. our reactions on happenings. re-releases? re-released! improved cruncher -------------------------------------- RE-RELEASES ? -------------------------------------- in #21 you could read my comment on a statement from CUNT ZERO that we list re-released games. i callenged him to inform us of the true state of things and to prove what he was saying. while having a chat with BACCHUS of FAIRLIGHT i realized that CUNT ZERO had talked to HIM about the things that had bugged CUNT ZERO. how clever! once again it was just luck that i was informed. RE-RELEASE ? -------------------------------------- to my amazement i learned that what had caused the comment on re-released games, were the series of text adventures released by CROSSFIRE. since CUNT ZERO hates the guts of CROSSFIRE, he was only too happy to find what he thought was re-releases. in his hate, he disconnected the brain i have some 50 disks with similar 1-filed text adventures. still not one of those adventures released by X-FIRE is in my collection. if CUNT ZERO maintains that those are re-releases, he will have to prove it to me. RE-RELEASE ? -------------------------------------- what CUNT ZERO had seen in those games was a copy right stamp from 1980-something. what CUNT ZERO didn´t realize was that this is the copy right stamp from the game editor that was used to make those text adventures. an editor just like the SEUCK editor. in other words, CUNT ZERO was wrong. then again, aren´t we all wrong at one time or other in life? JERRY --> RE-RELEASED -------------------------------------- what CUNT ZERO couldn´t know when he complained about # 20 was that there would indeed be a re-released game among the those listed in #21. i suspected that cops and robbers could be a re-release as soon as i saw it. i checked my own listings and also some other lists i have. it was not on any of them. one of those lists is dated JUNE 1986 and there are 1500 old games on it. it was only later when someone told me that it probably was an old --> RE-RELEASED -------------------------------------- game, that i looked through ALL my old files to make sure. i found it on an old list from the usa and also on the list from ANTITRACK. true, i don´t know for sure that it is the same game, but it would surprice me if it is not. our policy for THE GUIDE is to NOT include games that are re-releases. however, if we miss some old game, we don´t consider it to be of such an importance that public flogging is called for. after all, no one will die from it! JERRY --> IMPROVING? -------------------------------------- ZIZYPHUS/ONEWAY states that when someone tries to improve one of his packers or crunchers, the result is, in the best cases at least the same. mostly however, the resulting version v2.1378+ is fucked up in some way or other. a good example of this, can be seen in some cracks made by MINISTRY of GENESIS PROJECT. those cracks don´t work on a 128 because the cruncher fucks up $d030. great coding! JERRY
[edit] . advocating an opinion
-------------------------------------- - chapter 8 - -------------------------------------- how about it? -------------------------------------- REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- /JERRY over the years, once in a while, someone has cracked a game that was cracked and spread long ago. depending on circumstances, this has brought on everything from a shrug of a pair of shoulders over in lamers inc to a full world war 3. my personal attitude has been to accept versions that have brought us things that were not available before, like a good trainer or a complete one or whatever was missing before. REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- in the last days of 93 i got a disk with 4 older games. URIDIUM, PARADROID FRUITMACHINE and VIORIS. the first two are true old legends while VIORIS is not very old at all. at about the same time i got the magazine MAGNESS which held an article suggesting just this, making modern versions of real old games. this new version of URIDIUM is the perfect example of what a new version should NOT look like. it was just terrible, with severe bugs and missing items. REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- if a GOD stepped down and told me i could keep 10 games and all the other several thousand games i have, would go up in smoke, URIDIUM would be one of those ten games i´d keep. i have played it over and over again and i have played URIDIUM+, URIDIUM3 and URIDIUM4. i know what they should look like. anyone making a new version of an old game has all the time in the world to do a good job out of it. there is no excuse for a crap version, so all i can say is: CASE/ENTROPY - lame off! REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- MAGNESS sugested making new versions of old games to keep the cracker scene alive as fresh games get more scarse. this is NOT a good reason. the crummy version of URIDIUM shows only too well what this would lead to. the people who would start doing this would not be the veterans and the experts. we would get to see beginners and climbers turning out new/old games by the dozens in hope to gain fame. we would be flooded with crap versions of old games and THAT would be sure to harm the scene. REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- then what IS a good reason for new versions of old games? many old games are not crunched at all and take up a lot of space. others are crunched over and over again so it takes for ever to de-pack. packers and crunchers of 5 years ago were not very good and sometimes they messed with the code. other times they could not pack to 202 blox or less, making a loader necessary. --> REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- there are several old games that in my opinion would become playable if they had a cheat option. BACCHUS of FAIRLIGHT said that: once a game has been played with cheat mode, no one wants to play it without cheat. that may be true for many games, but it only shows that the game is bad. i have played URIDIUM and KRACKOUT with cheat and i still love to play them for real to feel the callenge. turning things around, there are games that are next to hopeless to play as they are. possibility to --> REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- neutralize the hopless aspect of the game may make it interesting. two possible such games are V and MIAMI VICE. at least I, hate to mess with the door decoder in V and i hate the over sensitive cars in MIAMI VICE. but mind you, just giving me endless tries in MIAMI VICE would be of no help. i need to be able to touch a curbstone or a car and still be able to drive on. only that way i would have a chance to get to learn the bars to be there to get the bad guys. REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- another thing missing in most older games is a HI-SCORE saver. adding one would be a true blessing. normally i advocate that a game must be intact after cracking. i think that it is wrong to re-code the game beyond what you have to do. there is one thing in old games that i still would like to be rid of. often after game over, they take for ever to allow you to start playing again. you have to sit there gritting your teeth, watching some mind-killing routine that seems to never come to an end. REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- or worse, you have to tell the game once again how many players you are, as if you have cloned during playing and you have to enter your initials through a hopeless routine once again and then you have to tell the game once again if you want to play!!! well, you are sitting there, aren´t you? isn´t that indication enough that you want to play again ? aaaargh.. . all these items, better pack result, better de-pack time, cheatmode added, hi-saver added and possibility to skip killing routines, could justify --> REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- making a modern version of an old game. so, what i say is: let us accept NEW/OLD versons, but ONLY if they are done following some strict rules. first of all, let us demand that a NEW/OLD game is labeled as such. i suggest that we all agree to use special intros that we only use for such versions and that such intros clearly declares that it is a modern version of an old game. REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- then people will know what they get and what to expect from this game. another reqirement i suggest is that real originals are used or if that is not possible, that he makes 100% sure that the version he uses is absolutely complete. there are quite a number of guys having old originals, so that should really not be a problem. if the scene acepts doing new cracks of old games, we also need some tool to make sure this doesn´t turn into REFRESHED OLDIES -------------------------------------- a masshysteria for the beginners or lamers. the best is always to reward people, but i don´t know how to do that in this case. the second best is to punish people and THAT is easy. bad new versions of old games could be flogged in public. that would hopefully keep things on a reasonable level. perhaps.. . . what about this all? tell me! JERRY