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THE CREST - THE ONE YEAR EDITION
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TALES OF THE CREST
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Welcome to this very special issue of THE CREST.
You wonder what is so special about it?!?
Our magazine THE CREST can celebrate its first
aniversary!
But why is issue 13 the ONE YEAR EDITION although a
year has only 12 months? The answer is quite simple:
The very first issue of THE CREST was the JULY
EDITION 1997 and now this is the JULY EDITION 1998...
So one year went by, but still it seems only
something like one month or so to me.
Time really rushed by and so all the editions of THE
CREST.
I can tell you: It wasn't always easy to get the
magazine finished right in time to keep our steady
releasedates. Some really big stones laid in our way,
especially at the beginning, but somehow we always
kicked them away or sometimes also just walked
around them... For example getting the demoreviews
finished was one of hardest things I experienced.
And it still is hard and will always be, I guess...
So in this one year our motto always was: Better
leave one chapter out then delay the magazine.
Because in our opinion a steady releasebase is one
of the most important things about a magazine.
One year THE CREST... That meant for you about 5500
(in words: five thousand and five hundred) blocks
of text, packed into 13 issues with about 140 (in
words: one hundred and fourty) chapters.
In these 13 editions we gave you monthly charts and
releasecharts. Always the hottest and latest news
and happenings from the pal- AND the ntsc-scene.
We brought you 26 interviews with famous scene
personalities like ELECTRIC/EXTEND, BACCHUS/
FAIRLIGHT, BAGDER/HORIZON, D'ARC/TOPAZ BEERLINE,
IGNORANCE/ALPHAFLIGHT 1970 and many others from
the cracking and the demo scene.
Due to our monthly releasebase we nearly always
were the very first to bring you reviews of the
lastest scene productions from the demo market.
To say the thruth: We are damn proud of the fact
we managed to release the magazine really every
month without any delay. And we know that many of
you, our readers, pay us a lot of respect for this...
Thanx! All you folks out there and your mostly
positive feedback gives us enough motivation to
keep up our work on that level...
Also we can proudly say that we improved quite a lot.
Especially concerning our writing style. We think
that we found the direction we want to go and that
we are on the right way to get the magazine WE
always wanted to be present in the scene.
Just look at the amount of text we had in the first
two, three issues and compare it with the two latest
ones. Thesedays we have nearly twice the amount of
text we had at the beginning. This was of course
only possible with all the help from many guys,
especially our additional staff members. First there
was only the three of us, DODGER, SHOK'RAY and me -
HARDSEQUENCER. Then DANZIG joined our staff and
also MITCH/CREST and ZYRON/F4CG/NOSTALGIA decided
to support us with music reviews.
Later on UZZY became our official NTCS-reporter,
who edits his own chapter every issue. Also SPACE
ROY/MEGASTYLE teamed up with our staff as
co-editor.
After ZYRON decided to leave our staff and edit for
NEWSPRESS from them on and MITCH became inactive
we looked for new support and found some helping
hands in KRISTIAN ROSTOEN/SHAPE/HITMEN and
TRIDENT/ACTIVE. Then also SCROLL/MEGASTYLE came
to us to give us some coding-reviews from time to
time...
And now we still got this condition...
We, the three main-editors, want to thank you a
thousand times! Without you other staff-members
all this wouldn't have been possible. Thank you so
very much!
Besides this we also got quite some respectable help
from many sceners, who supported us with news,
votesheets or helped us with the releasecharts or
special reviews or reports or whatever! To name
them all would surely fill some textsides but would
be really too much. But we mentioned you at least
once in one of the former issues and really want to
thank you for all your help.
After all these thank-sayings, it's finally again time
for some credits and general information...
> THE CREST < blackboard > THE CREST <
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XXXXXX XXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXX XXX
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E-mail: DYTEC(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Use these address to get in touch with us
concerning everything about THE CREST.
> THE CREST < intro credits > THE CREST <
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Code, fix.........DODGER/DYNAMIC TECHNOLOGIES
Hires-picture.............HARDSEQUENCER/DYTEC
Music...................RHYME DESIGN/HEATWAVE
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> THE CREST < outfit credits> THE CREST <
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Code, fix.............DODGER/DYNAMIC TECHNOLOGIES
Hires-logo.........HARDSEQUENCER/DTC+SHOK'RAY/MSP
Koala-logo, font..........SHOK'RAY/MEGASTYLE PROD
Sprite-stars.......................PIGEON/X-RATED
Musics.............................METAL/VIBRANTS
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> THE CREST < staff > THE CREST <
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HARDSEQUENCER/DYTEC......................main-editor
DODGER/DYTEC.............................main-editor
SHOK'RAY/MEGASTYLE PROD. ................main-editor
UZZY/RENEGADE PROGRAMMING GROUP............co-editor
DANZIG/ALPHAFLIGHT 1970....................co-editor
SPACE ROY/MEGASTYLE PROD. .................co-editor
SCROLL/MEGASTYLE PROD. ..............coding-reviewer
TRIDENT/ACTIVE..............music- + coding-reviewer
KRISTIAN ROSTOEN/SHAPE/HITMEN.........music-reviewer
LLOYD ROSEN/MEGASTYLE PROD. ..........music-reviewer
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> THE CREST < contents > THE CREST <
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TALES OF THE CREST....................................editorial
SCENE SPOTLIGHTER................................news'n'updates
OVERSEAS SCENE REPORT...........................ntsc scene news
RULERS OF THE MONTH......................................charts
THE JUNE LIST.....................................releasecharts
BOOGALOO - PROFILE....................................interview
MIXER - PROFILE.......................................interview
THE FORUM........................................about graphics
THE CRESTBOARD...................................advertisements
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> THE CREST < dealers > THE CREST <
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VIOLATOR/ALPHAFLIGHT 1970...........official spreader
WALKER/F4CG.........................official spreader
CENTRAX/SAMAR/THE FACTORY.......... official spreader
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This issue of THE CREST is quite short compared to
the two, three latest issue, but certain
circumstances made this necessary. We won't bore
you with them, because they wouldn't be an excuse
anyway and also aren't meant as an excuse.
I guess next time we'll be able to give you a better
and bigger issue again.
As always we want to thank certain people who
supported us in any way to get this edition finished.
So, we would like to thank... MARC/ALPHAFLIGHT 1970,
DIDI/LAXITY, UZZY/RPG, DEEKAY/CREST, ELECTRIC/
EXTEND, ANDREAS/SHAPE, JOE THE MADMAN/VISUAL
REALITY/ANALOGUE, BOOGALOO/HORIZON, MIXER/ORIGO
DREAMLINE, JAZZCAT/ONSLAUGHT, COMMANDER/ROLE,
and some other ones we might have forgotten.
That was all for this issue's preface... Now have
fun reading the ONE YEAR EDITION of the most active
magazine around called THE CREST.
HARDSEQUENCER
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[edit] scene spotlighter
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SCENE SPOTLIGHTER
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Month by month we gave you the hottest news and
information on the latest happening just for one
year now.
And of course you can also count on us in the next
year of THE CREST. As always you'll get nothing but
facts in a very comprehensive form. Effort is made
to NOT include rumours.
This time the news section is smaller than ever, but
that's no big surprise as it's summer and only three
weeks went by since our previous issue... Let's go...
MOTIV 8 [den, ger]
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New members: THE PSYCHOPATH, BIRD
Gone ones..: -
MOTIV 8 are back again... Just only some months
after the group's death a guy called THE PSYCHOPATH
got the permission by CROSSFIRE/FAIRLIGHT, the
former leader of the group, to rebuild MOTIV 8. The
only other member in the crew that is known until
now is BIRD, who joined in again.
Memberstatus:
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BIRD, THE PSYCHOPATH
ONSLAUGHT [oz, ger, pol]
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New members: (MOSES)
Gone ones..: (JASON)
Boards.....: DEADZONE +X-XXX-XXX-XXXX WHQ
SANITARIUM+XX-XXX-XXXXXX EHQ
FTP-Site.....: GANGSTA'S PARADISE
ftp://c64.rulez.org/pub/c64
First of all they got their german bbs SANITARIUM
on-line again, so MOSES was put back onto the active
memberstatus.
Later on JASON got put on the inactive list of the
group.
Memberstatus:
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BIZARRE, CUBEHEAD, DEEKAY, DIGAHOLE, DOOM, GOP,
HOMEBOY, JAZZCAT, JOLZ, LEMING, MADHEAD, MEFF,
MORBID, MOSES, NAPHALM, REGI KEYZ, STING, TBH,
TROUBLE, VENGEANCE
So, that were all major-news again... Really!
Check the next few pages for some single news!
SINGLE NEWS:
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- THE FALCON/ex-PENTAGRAM joined the new demo
group SONIX as coder and net-member.
- STARKILLER returned to the scene! He joined PADUA
and HITMEN as sysop and modem- and Internet-
trader. He is planning to bring his board COLD
FUSION back online soon.
- SKYCLAD, formerly known as MOLOCH, decided to
leave ASCRAEUS. Also NAPHALM left ASCRAEUS to
stay in ONSLAUGHT only.
Memberstatus:
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ABADDON, AEGIS, BRIZZ, CAISSON, CODY, FNORF, JES,
KSIN, LUKE, MADHEAD, RAZOR RAMON, SKATE, SOLOMON,
UFO
- The coder AEGIS left SCORN to team up with the
mates from EXCESS. NAPHALM left SCORN to
concentrate on ONSLAUGHT.
- GENE left LEGEND and joined the forces of
FAIRLIGHT.
- STEVE decided to leave CAMELOT. He stays in
X-FACTOR as his only group.
- A guy called AKABU joined COMIC PIRATES to be a
graphician for them.
- MSK/CREST joined VIBRANTS as second group.
- WSOFT teamed up with VENOM.
- LOCALH came to SYSTEM as his second group after
his first group BCI.
HARDSEQUENCER
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(C) THE CREST 1998
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[edit] overseas scene report
The "Overseas" Scene Report
compiled by Uzzy of RPG
So, I see you're back. No doubt expecting more NTSC
news, eh? Probably expecting me to sit here and
ramble for a bit, then give my email address and say
that you can send death threats, then recount
the news in a very simple and straightforward form,
followed by a little oddly named list of all the NTSC
groups and their members. Is that what you're
expecting? You're expecting me to just sit back,
write my bloody chapter and be done with it? Well
what if I don't want to, huh? What if I feel like
writing something vastly contradictory to what I
normally write about here, perhaps something about
small furry kittens or my adventures with Alfonse
the hedgehog? What will you do then? Huh? Will you
sit back and salivate over my adventures with a
small rodent-like creature, or will you simply turn
the chapter off, thinking that I am, perhaps, wildly
insane? Hmmm?
Well, fortunately you won't have to wonder about
that at all, because I have, as always, delivered my
chapter written the same way I have always done it,
in my own indescribable style.
So, as is usual, if you have any relevant news or
happenings, corrections, suggestion, marriage
proposals or death threats, send them to me at:
arthur.heller(at)anwcbbs.uu.holonet.net
And here, just like always, is the news.
- The Fatman has apparently quit PSW.
- Following their recent demo WICKED, FOE has shut
down. The Phantom, shortly before disbanding one
of the most celebrated demo groups in NTSC
history, changed his handle to EricC.
- In case you're interested, I think that EricC. is
looking for a group to join.
- The third NTSC 4K demo competition has definitely
been announced. The deadline is definitely
September 10, 1998. You can quote me on that, if
you wish.
- As reported last month, a brand new NTSC demo
group called RETRO-64 has been formed. Fuzz, of
R64, gave this official statement:
"Retro 64 is the newest NTSC demo group, consisting
of 7 members. In alphabetical order we are Esbam
(music), Fuzz (code, music), Knifey (music), Leppy
(webpage, csets), Picasso (gfx), Prodigy (webpage,
sprites) and Wort (music). We are currently working
on our first demo which is hopefully going to be 6
pages long, with everything done by Retro 64
members. So far, the majority of the code is done
for about 4 pages, most of the csets are complete,
as are the sprites and graphics. The main thing
left to complete is the music. We are all 15 years
old and attend the same high school, so obviously
we must live in the same area. In fact, we all live
within a 20 minute drive of each other. Finally, we
are willing to do a co-op demo with pretty well any
group in the scene. Hope you enjoy our first demo
when it coms out, which will hopefully be pretty
soon!" - Fuzz/PSW/R64
I think I can speak for the scene when I say that I'm
anxious to see the new demo. Hopefully R64 will be
a group that sticks around for a while.
And that's the news. But we're not done yet! No,
not by a longshot! Because there's one thing
missing from this chapter, which is included in
here every month, and that is....
YES, YOUR UBIQUITOUS GROUP-LIST UPDATE:
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ASU (Anarchy Systems Unlimited):
Grubby, Scanner
ARCANE:
Moloch, DBX
BCI (Bad Coders International):
Local-H, Phred, Sketch, Udd
CCS (Carcass Creation Services):
Deathangel's Shadow, Gemini, Hoffman, Natas,
Necrophobic, Pinball Wizard, Shadowmaster, TMR,
Wideload, Zirc0
ELECTRON:
Dokken, The Gambler
FTA (From The Ashes):
Burning Horizon, Diskmaster, Firestalker, Trillian
MLM (Millenium)
Roy Batty, The Fatman
PSW (I still dunno what it stands for):
Fuzz, MacBeth, Shroom
RPG (Renegade Programming Group):
Chameleon, Cyberad, Dr.Doom, The Heretic, Ken,
Bungle, Pegasus, Uzzy, Warnock
RETRO 64:
Esbam, Fuzz, Knifey, Leppy, Picasso, Prodigy, Wort
STORM:
Cybernoid, Megmyx
STYLE:
Alter-Ego, Deathlok, Decomp, DW, Elwix, Firefoot,
Massive Onslaught, PK, Repose, Warnock, The Wiz
VENOM:
The Hobbit, Kickback, WSoft
I suppose I can talk a bit more, now...
Well, that about wraps it up for this month. Phew...
I thought for a second I wouldn't be able to fill up
this chapter, but I guess I was wrong (again). I
guess that thirteen really is a lucky number, at
least The Crest.
Before I sign off, to go work on my novel some more,
let me give a shout out to the main motivation for
this mag, who will be going through all sorts of
life changes in a few days. Lars, I love ya, Baby!
Hurry back to the world of electronic publishing, cuz
we'd be lost without you.
Alright. Now go read another chapter.
- Uzzy of RPG -
[edit] rulers of the month
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RULERS OF THE MONTH
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Another month, another charts chapter... This time
with quite some more filled votesheets than last
time, so better than ever...
But of course we also want YOU to influence these
charts with your very own opinion... You can fill our
well-spreaded votesheet or write your votes in all
the categories down on any kind of piece of paper
and let us deliver them or simply send us your votes
via E-mail to: DYTEC(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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THE TOP 10 DEMO GROUPS
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>>> 01.(>) CREST..................(265) <<<
02.(+) SMASH DESIGNS..........(197)
03.(-) OXYRON.................(169)
04.(+) SAMAR..................(101)
05.(-) REFLEX.................(090)
06.(-) BYTERAPERS INC. .......(034)
07.(+) TRIAD..................(032)
(+) ALBION.................(032)
(+) HITMEN.................(032)
10.(-) COMA...................(030)
(>) means same position as last time
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Comments:
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CREST again clear in the lead. But SMASH DESIGNS
made a remarkable jump from 4 up to 2.
Also SAMAR are getting higher. They climbed from 7
to place number 4, while BYTERAPERS finally get
the result for their inactivity. They lost one place
again and a damn lot of points.
Funny to see that ALBION, HITMEN and TRIAD are
sharing the 7th place. HITMEN are in here for the
very first time and made quite a surprise with this.
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THE TOP 10 CRACKING GROUPS
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>>> 01.(>) ALPHAFLIGHT 1970.................(201) <<<
02.(>) SUCCESS + THE RULING COMPANY.....(146)
03.(+) HITMEN...........................(120)
04.(-) FANTASTIC FOUR CRACKING GROUP....(091)
05.(>) LAXITY...........................(089)
06.(>) REMEMBER.........................(081)
07.(+) CHROMANCE........................(062)
08.(+) DYNAMIC TECHNOLOGIES.............(058)
09.(+) TRIAD............................(022)
10.(+) NOSTALGIA........................(020)
(+ ) means better position than last month
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Comments:
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No changes at the top here. ALPHAFLIGHT kept the
top spot and SCS +TRC are following them with a
respectful distance.
HITMEN and F4CG traded their positions with each
other, while LAXITY and REMEMBER stayed on 5 and 6.
CHROMANCE and DYTEC both climbed two places.
Highest new entry is TRIAD. Also the oldie-labal
NOSTALGIA is new in here.
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THE TOP 10 PROGRAMMERS
-- ---------------- --
>>> 01.(>) CROSSBOW/CREST..................(288) <<<
02.(>) GRAHAM/OXYRON...................(175)
03.(>) AEG/SMASH DESIGNS...............(173)
04.(>) MR. SEX/BYTERAPERS INC. ........(138)
05.(+) GOLDHAND/SAMAR/AFL..............(083)
06.(-) ZORC/REFLEX.....................(063)
07.(>) OSWALD/COMA/FAIRLIGHT...........(037)
08.(-) FUBEN/OXYRON....................(035)
09.(>) MMS/TABOO.......................(030)
10.(+) DRUID/AGONY.....................(028)
( -) means worse position than last month
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Comments:
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This chart seems to become more and more stable. No
changes within the first four places! CROSSBOW still
the number one with more than hundred points more
than the second, GRAHAM.
GOLDHAND is the winner of the month with climbing
three places up from 8 to 5.
Also DRUID is new in here, while STILGAR had to leave.
FUBEN and ZORC both had to let pass other ones.
-- ------------------------------------------------ --
THE TOP 10 GAME CRACKERS
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>>> 01.(>) JACK ALIEN/REMEMBER...........(174) <<<
02.(>) ..............................(109)
03.(+) MOONCHILD/HITMEN..............(107)
04.(-) BURGLAR/SCS +TRC..............(103)
05.(>) DIDI/LAXITY...................(100)
06.(+) MANIK/LAXITY..................(032)
07.(+) JAYDEE/CHROMANCE..............(026)
08.(-) COUNT ZERO/SCS+TRC............(023)
09.(+) DANZIG/ALPHAFLIGHT '70........(022)
10.(+) CBA/SCS +TRC..................(019)
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Comments:
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Also here no changes on the top. JACK ALIEN is still
surfing his round on place number one while
IGNORANCE has some problems staying close to him.
MOONCHILD and BURGLAR swapped their places with
each other and DIDI is still on the 5th place. Seems
he'll stay there forever...
Highest new entry is JAYDEE on 7. DANZIG and CBA
re-entered the chart. STING, NAPHALM and MR. WAX
didn't get enough points to appear here again.
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THE TOP 10 GRAPHIC ARTISTS
------------------------ --
>>> 01.(>) ...........................(281) <<<
02.(+) VALSARY/SAMAR/LEPSI DE.....(143)
03.(-) ELECTRIC/EXTEND............(102)
04.(+) JOE/WRATH DESIGN...........(101)
05.(-) ...........................(089)
06.(-) SEBALOZ/LEPSI DE...........(068)
07.(+) AEG/SMASH DESIGNS..........(038)
08.(-) RRR/OXYRON.................(037)
(-) TYRANT/THERAPY.............(037)
10.(+) MIKE/BYTERAPERS INC. ......(036)
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Comments:
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DEEKAY is the clear champion again. He leads this
chart with about double points than his hunter, who
is VALSARY this time.
JOE made a huge jump from 8 up to 4 and pushed
RAYDEN and SEBALOZ both one place down.
Also AEG is a winner this month with climbing from 10
up to 7.
Only new entry is MIKE who kicked ASTAROTH out.
-- ------------------------------------------------ --
THE TOP 10 SOUND WIZARDS
-- ------------------ --
>>> 01.(>) MITCH+DANE/CREST..................(175) <<<
02.(>) DRAX/CREST/VIBRANTS...............(108)
03.(+) P.R.I./OXYRON.....................(080)
04.(-) JEFF/CAMELOT/ANALOGUE.............(077)
05.(+) WACEK/ARISE/LEPSI DE..............(068)
06.(-) ORCAN.............................(054)
07.(-) FANTA/OXYRON/BASS.................(053)
08.(-) KRISTIAN ROSTOEN/SHAPE/HIT........(051)
09.(-) PRAISER...........................(050)
10.(+) TRIDENT/ACTIVE....................(048)
__ ___________________________________ __
Comments:
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The swedish duo MITCH and DANE still have occupied
the number one spot and even DRAX, who kept the
second place, didn't manage to get close to them.
PRI is this month's highest new entry. He jumped
straight in on the 3rd place. At least we didn't
expect it any other way, because his absence last
month was really surprising.
Also WACEK is one of these month's winners. He
climbed from 10 up to 5!
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What really strikes this time is the fact that in
every category the new number one is the old one!
And in every category from the demo scene the top
spot is occupied by CREST or one of its members.
We also had some self-voters again. A polish
cracker and coder from an Australia based cracking
group voted for his group and one of its crackers.
Also a guy from a strange german demo group voted
for some composers from his groups!
Seems people still haven't understood how to vote!
HARDSEQUENCER
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(C) THE CREST 1998
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[edit] the june list
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THE JUNE LIST
__ ___________________________________ __
Hi guys and welcome to the 13rd RELEASELIST within'
THE CREST-MAGAZINE...!
It's still summer and so there's again less work to be
done... hehe!
This time the RELEASES got taken from the following
BOARDS:
THE BASS PLANET ++X-XXX-XXX-XXXX ((C)+XENON WHQ)
THE EVIL ISLAND ++X-XXX-XXX-XXXX (ALPHAFLIGHT WHQ)
Don't forget that you can always contact me for
comments, questions or whatever concerning this
chapter on the MAJOR US-BOARDS or with email:
THE_DODGER(AT)HOTMAIL.COM
Next coming up are the SPOTLIGHT NEWS with the
latest BOARDNEWS!
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SPOTLIGHT NEWS JUNE
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The ONSLAUGHT WHQ DEADZONE was down the last week
in JUNE and it's still not clear what happened... . Due
to this fact I took DEADZONE out of my LIST for this
MONTH, as I couldn't check the RELEASES on there!
This month the LAXITY EHQ DRAGONS TOWER got finally
taken down, as the SYSOP MENDRAKE was leaving
GERMANY due to his new JOB!
This means that the BOARDSCENE in GERMANY is kind
of DEAD... but with STARKILLER (EX-AFL) returning to
the scene and joining up with PADUA and HITMEN it
might change again soon, as he promised to bring his
old BOARD COLD FUSION back again!!!
This was all for the JUNE NEWS...
Not much happened, so I'll make it short, and go on
with a look at the RELEASES... .
COSINE (uk) 1,5 POINTS
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The guys in COSINE released the old-fashion SHOOT
'EM UP-GAME named CO-AXIS (1,5 POINTS).
This might be their first and last CRACK ever... ;)
DYNAMIC TECHNOLOGIES (ger) 0,8 POINTS
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The EASTGERMANS released the really nice FINAL
PREVIEW of CRAZY NEWS (0,8 POINTS).
LAXITY (hol, den, ger...) 2,3 POINTS
------------------------------------------------------------
They released the lame (but fixed...) NEEDLE IN THE
HAYSTACK (2,3 POINTS).
MOTIV 8 (den) 0,0 POINTS
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Again they returned... and again it's an BAISC-game.
This time they got NO POINTS for MOVIE MOGUL (0,0
POINTS).
ONSLAUGHT (aut, pol, ger...) 5,1 POINTS
------------------------------------------------------------
The guys in ONSLAUGHT released the quite ok SHOVE
(5,1 POINTS). As they also fixed the GAME, they gained
some EXTRA-POINTS for this!
This GAME seems to be the GAME OF THE MONTH, but
luckily we don't have such an CATEGORY... ;)
Now let's take a look at the complete LIST... .
RELEASECHARTS JUNE 1998
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PLACE GROUP POINTS RELEASES
------------------------------------------------------------
1 ONSLAUGHT 5,1 1
2 LAXITY 2,3 1
3 COSINE 1,5 1
4 DYNAMIC TECHNOLOGIES 0,8 1
5 MOVIE MOGUL 0,0 1
Mmh, again a short LIST.
Seems it won't change the next 2 or 3 MONTHS, as the
SUMMER is great this year... hehe!
The QUALITY of the RELEASES is also on a quite low
LEVEL this MONTH. However, this can change next
MONTH... .
THE DODGER/THE CREST-MAGAZINE
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[edit] boogaloo - profile
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FIRST LEGAL PROFILE OF THE MONTH
-- ------------------------------------- --
This time we bring you an interview with a great
coder and composer. Together with his groupmates
BAGDER, MASTERMIND and EXILON he is responsible for
classic demos like THE LAST TRAKTOR 3 and A LOAD OF
OLD SHIT... Yes, I'm talking about...
>>> BOOGALOO of HORIZON <<<
And now have fun with this quite short but still
interesting profiler...
(C): Cool that you want to share some of your time
with us making this interview...
As always let's start with some facts about
your person in general, please!
(B): My name is Linus Nielsen. I was born on the 8th
of February 1969 and I live in Stockholm,
Sweden. I work as a consultant in a company
named FRONTEC TEKNIKSYSTEM AB, mainly as an
embedded systems programmer. It's the same
company where BAGDER, KJER and ZAGOR work,
too, so half of the HORIZON group work at
FRONTEC at the moment.
In my spare time, I play a little with my PC, but
there is not much time left for programming,
I'm afraid. I do some web programming, but
that's all.
(C): Aha, so seems FRONTEC also might have the
subtitle THE HORIZON COMPANY, hehe...
Please give us now a short story of how you
got in touch with the CBM64 and how your
scene history started!
(B): When I was about 12 years old, my father
introduced me to the world of computers, and
since then I'm stuck! I wanted to have my own
computer so bad! In 1984 I bought a Commodore
64 in England, and it's the same one that I have
today (although it's broken at the moment). I
had a few friends that helped me to get
started with the C64, but I got the most help
from my father. He helped me build a sampler
for the user port, and a MIDI interface for the
cartridge port. I used the C64 a lot to make
music, mainly as a sampler.
In 1987, I came across some guys from THE
SILENTS, and they invited me to a copy party in
Alvesta. I went there with a friend of mine,
forming the group MICROSYSTEMS DIGITAL
TECHNOLOGIES. People were SO impressed with
my sampler!!! What a surprise! I didn't think
that I was anything special among these
hackers, but suddenly I was! There, I met
BAGDER, ZAGOR and KJER from the group SUPER
SWAP SWEDEN. They wanted me to make some
Sound Monitor tunes for them. I was honoured!
Later that year, I met EXILON. He lived only a
hundred yards from my place, and he showed
me some of the stuff he had made. He was
MILES ahead of me when it came to programming
skills! He joined MICROSYSTEMS and we put
together a demo for the upcomming Alvesta
Party in 1988.
At the party we met BAGDER and the other
guys, they had now formed a group called
HORIZON. They were SO sure to win the demo
competition until we showed them our stuff...
MASTERMIND was so impressed that he couldn't
say a word. Finally he mumbled: "Are you
participating in the demo competition...?"
We did, and HORIZON won by a few votes, but
after the announcement of the winners, we
discovered that another group called
HEPTAGON, had received a lot of votes, and
they didn't even participate. It turned out
that a lot of people thought that our demo was
made by HEPTAGON. When we added those votes
to MIRCOSYSTEMS', we got far more votes than
HORIZON did. So one COULD say that
MIRCOSYSTEMS won that competition! It sure
feels good to win the first demo competition
you participate in!
We joined HORIZON later that year.
By the way, the demo is called BONANZA by MDT.
Check it out! It still rox!!!
(C): Uh, quite interesting story... Really! So
MIRCOSYSTEMS DIGITAL TECHNOLOGIES and
HORIZON were your only groups?
(B): Yes, only MICROSYSTEMS DIGITAL TECHNOLOGIES
and HORIZON.
(C): Okee, dokee. You were and still are a quite
well-known coder and composer in the CBM64
scene, no doubt... What made you become a
composer and later a coder as well? Do you
maybe have some other talent like cracking
or painting?
(B): Am I well known? That feels good to hear! I
never thought that people would remember me
at all!
Well, the reason that I became a composer is
of course that I started using my C64 for
sampling and composing. Later, BAGDER made
his own SKYLINE routine, and I started making
music for real. I never thought my music was
good at all, but apparently some people liked
it...!
After a while I got tired of only making music,
so I took up coding together with EXILON. We
are a magnificent team, he and I, and we made
some really good things together.
Actually, I started cracking in my early days
with MIRCOSYSTEMS, but I got quite tired of it. I
think it was mainly because I had such lousy
supply of originals.
I am a lousy painter, so THAT is out of the
question.
(C): But I once even saw a logo by you in one of
your demos, if I remember right. But I guess
this was just a try, wasn't it?!?
Anyway, are there any coders you respect a
lot?
(B): EXILON/HORIZON and JABBA/LIGHT.
(C): Yeah, understandable. They were real killers
in their subject.
You were quite active back then and
contributing parts to demos like THE LAST
TRAKTOR 3, A LOAD OF OLD SHIT or, like
mentioned above, BONANZA and others.
Which one of them would you call the one that
you are most proud of?
(B): Hard to say. I am really proud of BONANZA,
where we made a three-part demo with a new,
never-seen-before effect in each part. Beat
that!
I think that the product I am most proud of is
THE LAST TRAKTOR III. We came to the party, and
people thought that HORIZON was almost dead,
and couldn't compete with the new talents of
today, but we showed them!
That was the last competition we participated
in, and we WON!
THE LAST TRAKTOR III is, in my opinion, the best
demo that HORIZON ever made! It kicked ASS!
(C): Yeah right, it absolutely did!
You said that THE LAST TRAKTOR III was the last
demo from HORIZON that took part in a demo
competition... Can we maybe hope for a
comeback from you and your group somewhen
to see you winning competitions again?
(B): I don't think so. I and EXILON had THE game of
the century coming up, but my C64 broke down,
and I moved to Stockholm, so we didn't finish
it. I have a little time and little motivation.
Maybe I'm getting old? : -)
(C): I guess so, hehe! Anyway, a pity that you won't
return, but things can't always go the best
way...
But let's continue with something different...
Some brainstorming! What comes into your mind
when I say...
(B): PC........: Hurts to say, but I couldn't live
without it...
Parties..: Those were the days...
Internet..: Big commercial boom! Unfortunately.
Trackmos: Eeeh? Sounds like a demo, loading
from disk as it goes along, probably
taking forever to watch.
Alcohol...: Clears the mind. :-)
Sex.......: Wondeful!
(C): Aha... To INTERNET you said that it's got a huge
commercial boom... But do you think it might be
a good way for the CBM64 scene to go to the
Internet?
(B): Sure, why not? It is THE way of spreading
stuff!
(C): It seems most people think so because the
scene is more and more heading into that
direction, without any doubt. The Internet also
gives newcomers a quite good chance and
brings old sceners together again as well. So
what do you think of today's scene style and
do you maybe prefer the golden days back
then?
(B): To be honest, I don't know much about the
scene today. But I can say that I really miss
the good OLD days, back in the 80's. Things
were a lot more exciting then, when all the
effects and tricks were discovered. The
parties were smaller, you actually had a
chance to KNOW everyone at the party, and the
prize money didn't matter at all. I miss those
days. We were some kind of pioneers.
(C): Yo, things are a lot different these days, even
though the scene is getting smaller again.
And what do you think made the C64 and its
scene so special back then?
(B): The C64. It is an amazing computer, easy to
learn and so powerful. I love it! No computer
will ever take its place. It has been THE
educational tool for kids that wanted to learn
how computers work. How many guys that
started with the C64 back then have now great
jobs in the computer industry?
Many, many!!! I think that no other generation
will know that much about the computers than
the C64 generation! I am proud to be a part of
it!
(C): Yes, very true words...
But was there also something bad about the
C64 and its scene, in your opinion?
(B): No, nothing!
(C): So you should have never left it, hehe... ;)
Now, what about your favourites in some scene
and non-scene categories?!?
(B): This is hard, since I don't know a thing of
today's groups. I can only give you my
favourites back then...
(C): That's okay, of course. If these are your
favourites then this ARE your favourites, no
matter how old... Hehe... Okay, here we go...
(B): Demo...........: THINK TWICE II
Demo Group.....: BEYOND FORCE
Cracking Group: FAIRLIGHT
Composer......: ROB HUBBARD
Graphician....: PERNOD/HORIZON
Game.: DELTA
Movie: CRY FREEDOM with Denzel Washington
Music: JEAN MICHEL JARRE
Book.: HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY
(C): Interesting that many sceners/ex-sceners
name this book as their favourite. I also like
this one quite a bit.
You mentioned in one of your answers some
time ago that you also did some cracking back
in the days. So you don't dislike it that much
like some "only legal" sceners do?
(B): I don't have much to say about the illegal
scene. i really don't care that much. I think
that when it comes to cracking games and
applications, it has only been good for the
C64. I think that one of the main reasons that
so many people bought a C64 was that they
could get so many games for free.
(C): And did you ever have any war in the CBM64
scene?
(B): Nope. Well, once we were quite pissed off when
we disqualified in a demo compo in Denmark. I
think it was IKARI.
(C): I guess everybody would have been pissed off
then...
I hope that you now won't we pissed off, but
we have reached the end of this interview.
Do you want to say something out of your
belly? Maybe some greetings or messages?!?
(B): Keep up the good work! The C64 is unique, keep
it that way! There will never be another C64!
Thanks for everything!
(C): Okay, that was all... Thanks for your time!
(B): My pleasure.
(C): Thank you... Bye!
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SECOND LEGAL PROFILE OF THE MONTH
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Just like in the first interview of this issue you can
now and here read a profile of another guy who was
a great coder and composer. He made stuff for
ancient demos like BIAS CRUSHER, ELYSION, ABORTION,
ELDORADO or TOUR DE FORCE.
He is the one and only...
>>> MIXER of ORIGO DREAMLINE <<<
Have phun reading this nice coffeetalk...
(C): Hiho MIXER! Welcome to our magazine! Nice to
have you here with me...
To start straight off, please tell the audience
a little bit about you in general, just some
things from the real life!
(M): My name is XXXXX XXXXXX, citizen of Finland,
age 24, a student of Industrial Management in
Finland and recently System Dynamics in
Bergen, Norway.
I spend too much time trying to compose music
on whatever instrument I get my hands on. I
should do some sports, but I don't.
(C): So, you are composing a lot... Do you play in a
band?
(M): I meant that I at least try to get a sound out
of any instrument I get my hands on, my
abilities to play the intrument is a seperate
issue... :)
We have a little group of musicians, and we
jam together once in a while, we just got a
new training place. I play mainly keyboards,
and then little guitar. Most persons of our
band, except for me (well, two years of piano)
have had a long classical training on flute or
violin or cello, but we are playing mainly our
own songs with two guitars, bass, keyboard
and drums setting just to get rid of the extra
energy. The music is guitar driven stuff and
we try to be different, though we end up
sounding like the bands we like. When we play
covers they are mainly METALLICA, CMX, FAITH
NO MORE, TYPE-O-NEGATIVE, OASIS, and many
many others. Guitar stuff. Luckily we have a
rather capable singer. The name of the band
changes from a gig to gig. We do not do many
gigs. Perhaps one in a year.
(C): Ah, interesting!
But now let's get over to the scene related
stuff... How did the relation YOU and C64 start?
(M): That's hard to remember exactly and I am not
certain of all the events or other factors, but
it happened something like following.
My father had bought a VIC-20 almost
immediately after it became available in
Finland. He was generally interested in
computers and it was just okay for me, a
young kid who wants to play games. So I used
VIC mainly for playing games. I kept writing
down those Basic programs that were available
in the computer magazines and learning my
Basic coding that way. Also it was the only way
I could get games at that time. I even composed
some music with VIC, with no musical talent at
all it must have been an ordeal for my parents,
like the next few years after that.
At some point of time 84-86 my father bought a
C64 and I begun learning some machine code. I
don't exactly remember how I got into that: it
might have had something to do with our
school's computer club. Anyway, there were
some C-64's by some of my friends and of
course the games started go around from hand
to hand and some methods for duplicating them
had to be found out. I also remember that I got
to know BX somewhere around that time, he had
a C-64 and always got some games from
somewhere.
I got my hands on some early demos. Basicly
those demos consist of a picture, a scroll and
music. I was ripping music and graphics out of
everything I got my hands on and then at some
point of time I made my first demo: THE RAMBO
DEMO. It had the loading picture of RAMBO,
which I had modified so that Rambo had an
electric guitar in his hands instead of a
machine gun. Below the picture there was a
ripped scroller, which I think was a plain
character scroller with the famous system
font. The music in the demo was ROB HUBBARD's
digi track from SKATE OR DIE. I don't think the
demo was widely spread or anything, since I
was not yet aware of the scene other than via
some crack intros and a few demos. I signed my
demo as JAMES BOND II. This was 1986 I believe.
(C): Uh, nice story... And how did your scene career
continue? Which groups have you been in later
on?
(M): First of all thanks for SCAPEGOAT/TOPAZ for
the TOPAZ BEERLINE history and DESTINO/ORIGO
for the ORIGO homepages, which refreshed my
memory on some of the following...
The first group I joined in was TGB, THREE
GENIUS BOYS. My handle was JAMES BOND II at
that time.
Then there was POWER DIVISION (DIVISION OF
POWER) where I was known as WILD FINN and
after a while changed my handle to MIXER
(1988). I think we released one or two demos,
nothing special really.
The next group was called ALBION (the first
one) and we released a demo or two if I
remember correctly. in the year of 1989 ALBION
split up and BRAINS was formed. We released a
demo: REVOLUTIONS. It was nice. At that time I
also did my first music routine, before that I
was using UBIKs routine, FUTURE COMPOSER and
SOUNDMONs for composing. Shortly after
REVOLUTIONS, BRAINS became the core of ORIGO,
and we released a number of demos that were
well noted in the scene at the time.
(C): Yep, and they still are beautiful today...
Well, you said that was in ALBION. As you might
know nowadays there is another group called
ALBION with member only from Poland. What do
you think about this?
(M): It is fine, I do not have anything against it
since they obviously chose their name without
knowing of us.
By the way, if you change the letters of
ALBION you can get ao. the word BIOLAN, which
is a brand name for a soil fertiliser sold in
Finland. It is made of chicken S..T ...Just a
thought, and not related anyway to the name
ALBION, which is actually the name of a sword
in an old myth as we all probably know.
(C): Funny story, hehe! Okay, I guess the members
of the ALBION crew like to read that you don't
have any hard feelings against them...
By the way, where did you get your handle
from?
(M): No idea, I guess it just is that I keep messing
things up.
(C): Hmmm, so far you didn't make that impression
on me... :)
Anyway, do you still own a CBM64?
(M): No.
(C): But do you still have any contacts to the C64
scene or to some old sceners?
(M): Yes, I IRC on C-64 channel once in a while and
know some folks personally from the "old
days".
(C): And can we expect a comeback from you
somewhen?
(M): Not likely event to occur.
(C): I guessed so... But I never give up the hope,
hehe...
In your long scene life you surely had a lot of
nice but also bad experiences... Which one
would you name as the best one?
(M): The HORIZON party, April 1990. We were a group
of young kids and suddenly we won the demo
competition with our demo ELDORADO. If I
remember right we won LIGHT by one single
point. All the deadline coding and such. We had
to drop one demo part away, and it never got
into any demo since then.
(C): To release this one should be a good
motivation for you to return to the scene...
Hehe...
Would you call ELDORADO your personal
favourite demo from the ones that you made
something for?
(M): REVOLUTIONS/BRAINS was a good demo I did one
demopart on that, I never did any fancy
demoparts. Some disturbing music that I
composed maybe... You tell me.
(C): Oh, I loved it! And I can promise you: Many
others out there, too!
Well, please give us now your favourites in the
following categories...
(M): Cracking Group: HOTLINE, IKARI, TRIAD, F4CG
Demo Group....: SSS, HORIZON
Demo..........: MIXER/UP FRONT : )
Composer......: TIM FOLLIN, JCH
Graphician....: BOB
Coder.........: DAVID BRABEN
Game..........: ELITE
Book..........: INDUSTRIAL DYNAMICS/JAY W.
FORRESTER
Music.........: I like many kinds of music, but
especially CMX, AFROCELTICS
etc.
(C): Aha... What do you as coder and composer think
of the cracking scene?
(M): Cracking scene is as natural thing as
breathing. It is a human thing to do. When ever
there are some limits, they will be eventually
broken. There was not that sharp distinction
between a legal scene and cracking scene
some tem years ago, these issues were just
getting hot topics. Cracking can require
creative thinking, but it does not really build
anything.
(C): And have you ever had any kind of trouble or
war with some sceners in all these years?
(M): No wars, some disagreements especially in the
early days, but no wars that I can remember.
(C): You mentioned before that you don't have a
CBM64 anymore... So maybe this questions might
be not so easy for you to answer: Would you
call the C64 scene dead? Or how long will it
stay alive, in your eyes?
(M): Not dead and won't be dead for a while. Even if
the last C-64 machine is crashed 64 will be
emulated until the end of time. Emulation is a
good thing. It is better than imitation.
(C): Oh, that word "imitation" leads us to another
question... SMASH DESIGNS recently did a
convertion of the well-known PC demo SECOND
REALITY by FUTURE CREW... What do you think of
this idea of imitating PC demos on our beloved
CBM64?
(M): Perhaps someone does TOMBRAIDER on 64 as
well. :)
I think the C-64 SECOND REALITY is a good joke
on a PC-party. Imagination is better than
imitation.
(C): So now that we are at the point of new styles
in the scene... What do you think of the new-
school on the C64? Do you more like the spirit
of the "golden days"?
(M): I can give you my opinion, none can blame me
for that, right? To tell the truth: I have not
followed too much about the scene nowadays. I
have seen some new demos (1992-) and they
have been very nice, though there is not much
new stuff, just combinations of old ideas,
tricks and so on, a lot of ideas converted
from PC to C-64. I guess everyone has to go
through the same steps nowadays in learning
all the tricks.
In the good old days many of the tricks were
not quite found yet. For example, a never
declared competition about who makes the
multiplexer with most sprites on the side-
borders (KJER/HORIZON won, I guess). Who
makes biggest Twist-Twist or most char
scrollers etc. It was competition against the
4CC7 clockcycles per frame. Later on after
going through most of the VIC registers one by
one the competition focused on vector
graphics and best ideas and complex
calculations. The focus shifted away from
doing 50 frames/second stuff. So, my question
would be: What is the new school? I think the
principles are mainly the same and the best
programmers nowadays have been in the scene
for a while already, so is there a new school?
(C): Yes, of course there is... And there style is
very obvious in there demos. The demos mostly
feature effects with 4X4 or even 8X8 pixel
resolution to display things like vectors or
whatever. Have you ever seen such a demo?
And if yes, do you like this style?
(M): Yes, I have seen some. Some look nice, some do
not. Once a thing is done why do it several
times? Which is the hook in such demopart, the
"strange video mode" or the thing that is
calculated on such videomode?
Vectors look terrible, some color stuff is
okay. Also I don not understand all this picture
rotation stuff, it makes me feel dizzy. 40X25
or 80X25 screen resolutions... Not many pixels
to calculate or plot... Do they do that stuff in
border also? I do not think I saw any yet. :)
(C): The same for me...
But let's get back to the old-school... Please
make a comment to each of the following
groups!
(M): BLACKMAIL........: Nice demos.
BEYOND FORCE.....: A lot of good friends and
scene expertise, good
boozers
PANORAMIC DESIGNS: Nice demos.
CREST............: Tooth paste, nice demos.
HORIZON..........: Maybe the best coder
group ever.
ANTIC...............: Do not remember much.
MEGASTYLE INC. .....: Nice demos.
(C): What do you think is so special about the C64
and its scene?
(M): Unique music, and the joy for figuring out new
things and the memorable games that were not
quite space invaders anymore and really had
some IDEA behind them.
(C): Yeah, that's true... And what is the worst thing
about the scene, as far as you are concerned?
(M): Bosses, boasting. :) Swappers who became
traders, wars over some silly things. All the
folks who tried to make the scene thing
organised.
(C): Nowadays the CBM64 relates more and more to
the Internet... Do you sanction this?
(M): Internet is a good thing, the only problem is
that PC or other platform is required in the
middle for transferring files... On the other
hand, perhaps it is just the emulators that
will keep the C-64 alive. There still are some
folks that are using C-64 directly in
connection to net, and I raise a hat for those
people, and all those hardware freaks who
know the 64 in and out. By the way, is there an
Ms-Dos emulator for C-64?
(C): Hehe... That would be cool indeed!
To conclude your scene experiences... Do you
think that the CBM64 was an important point
in your life?
(M): C-64 has been important, it has provided some
kind of community that I once felt very much
attached to. (Talk about Manslows hierarchy
of needs.) Also I got to understand computers
from a very basic level, which is something
that not many folks nowadays get outside
hardware-engineering studies.
Recently I have been studying System Dynamics
that utilises a lot of computer simulation, and
all the stuff C-64 taught me is now needed. I
grew up with this stuff, so what else can I
say...
(C): Well, you can say some words to each of the
following things in our brainstorming part... ;)
(M): Parties...: Deadline programming.
Trackmos: We did one of those.
Boards..: Swap, Key, PCB
PC......: Personal Computer
Internet..: Hope it stays Internet and does not
become Commercenet.
Alcohol.... : Hangover as the source of
inspiration.
Sex...........: Women
(C): Okay, let's stay off the computer as topic...
Do you have some kind of dream girl? What
does she look like?
(M): I don't know about the looks, but the way she
moves must be something special...
(C): And if you had to go to a lonely island and you
could only take three things with you there....
What would these three things be?
(M): A woman, swiss army knife and enough matches
for the rst of my stay there.
(C): Hehe... Tricky answer you gave me here...
Well, now I'm out of questions and I guess we
reached the end of this interview... Is there
anything left you want to say? This is your
chance to send some greeting to old friends!
(M): All ORIGO member, most of the BEYOND FORCE,
some BYTERAPERS, TOPAZ BEERLINE especially
SCAPEGOAT, SID musicians, the few folks I used
to swap disks with and everyone at IRC C-64.
By the way, this is not supposed to be like a
story of my life or what do you think? :)
(C): Well, you can call it so! Your scene story
readable for everyone in the CBM64 scene...
Okay, that's really all now. Thanks again, and
take care!
(M): Cheers to you!
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THE FORUM
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It's been quite some time since we got this chapter
in THE CREST. But now HARDSEQUENCER is gonna speak
his mind again... This time he'll say some words about
converted graphics in general and converted
graphics that were self-painted on other systems
like PC or Amiga. You'll also have the pleasure to
read some personal opinions from different famous
graphicians about this topic and the latest
happenings concerning this topic.
Okay, here we go...
The topic of converted graphics is well-discussed
these days again. No doubt, the most important
reason for this can be only: RAYDEN/ALPHAFLIGHT '70.
With his graphics he caused quite some arguements
and discusion within the scene-graphicians. He won
the graphic-competitions at THE PARTY 5 in Denmark
as well as the one at the MEKKA+SYMPOSIUM '98. He
always said and still says that his graphics were
handpixelled and that he didn't convert them. But
when he became drunk he finally admitted what
everyone knew already: He does his graphics on the
Amiga and converts them to the C64 then...
Well, this short "story" should be a nice
introduction to this topic of converted graphics.
Converting graphics has always been something that
parted the scene...
To say my opinion about converted graphics straight
out: CONVERTED GRAPHICS SUCK! Because what do they
have to do with the CBM64?
Mostly guys convert graphics to get the credit they
don't deserve at all and to get popular with "stolen"
things... Converting a graphic from PC down to C64
and pretending that it was self-painted is just pure
ripping! It is like releasing a demo with only ripped
code from another demo and saying: "Look what I've
done! One of the best routines ever and entirely
coded by me! Vote for me!". It is just the same, isn't
it?!? It is nothing but a lie and stealing honour that
you don't deserve in no way!
But there are also people that explicitly say that
their graphics are converted... And in my opinion this
is okay then, because then everyone knows that this
piece of art wasn't done by you but just only
converted.
And then converting isn't bad at all. Converted
pictures can sometimes look really nice and can be
good fillers in demos or so... Some pictures are damn
hard to paint on the C64 and converting is then of
course a lot easier. So if you ever wanted a certain
picture on the CBM64 then convert it, but don't try
to get a single bit of credit for it! In this way
converted graphics are quite okay, aren't they?!?
I think so, and many other graphicians, too. For
example the ones I asked about this topic... Here is
what they think about it...
JOE THE MADMAN: "First of all I'm suprised this topic
is still up for discussion. Anyhow,
as long as the "converter" doesn't
expect to get credits for the
conversion it's okay with me. The
main thing is to respect other's
work. When I converted I always
made sure to underline the fact
that it was conversion. Though at
some point of time it gets to easy
just converting, then I see no point
in doing it more."
ELECTRIC: "You can always scan a picture, convert it
and fix it so well that no one (and NO ONE
I say) will see it actually is converted. But
what do these kind of gfxers think when
they "draw" their pictures? Fame and
glory? To climb up on charts and to be "the
number one"? Probably yes. Sad, isn't it? It
is stealing and cheating and wrong! If
someone wins a competition with converted
picture earning cash and the others who
have done good job and used much more
time and brains by drawing something that
is their own, it is wrong. How low can you
go? Don't really know. But one thing is
sure, I can't give any credit for these
people and I can't consider them as
"friends". It's boring to critizise this kind
of thing as it should be ingenue for all.
Remember always that everyone can study
the technic to fix a picture - and usually
these people can't actually DRAW at all.
And all the sceners look at their piece of
"work" and say "WHOAH! COOL!". The true
master gfxer - that's what they are, yeah.
HA I say.
Drawing an own picture on paper and
convering/fixing it? That's ok for me as
the result is unique. But this also needs a
statement that it is converted and fixed.
People should concentrate on converting
(and fixing) for example photos of scene
people, I would very much appreciate that.
Or to release a good quality porn series on
C64 - good deal!"
ANDREAS: "Converted graphics are lame in most
cases, especially in gfx compos or in most
demos. I think that C64 gfx should be made
on a C64 and not taken from an Amiga or a
PC. It's often kewl to use some styling
ideas from the Amiga or PC, but the true
C64 style is always the best. One thing is
that really good-made C64 graphics often is
much better and more astonishing than gfx
on other platforms."
DEEKAY: "I think about the same that ED/WD once
said... They can be a bonus for the C64
scene, e. g. as fillers or char-screens in
demos. If handed in for a pixel-gfx
competition, the thing is different, it's a
hoax, fraud and unfair lazyass bullshit! If
they don't want to work, they should go and
play with their playstations again instead of
polluting the C64 scene! ...You do hard work,
you get respect, you wire, you're a looser
and chickenshit (as probably always in life!
8 )"
ELECTRIC mentioned another interesting point... In my
opinion also painting on paper, then scanning and
converting it isn't okay... At least it still needs the
credit that it is scanned and converted. Also
painting only the outlines and scanning and
converting them isn't okay without mentioning this
helpful steps. Because the outlines are a very
important point in every picture, so they should be
C64 drawn, too! And I really don't understand why
some people convert the outlines... Painting the
outlines might be quite hard, but when you spend so
much time in painting all the rest, then why not also
invest some time in the outlines?!?
Another point that was mentioned is the thing that
converted graphics often win graphic-competitions
at parties. I'm also a bit upset about this discussion.
Because many guys always say that it's unfair that
converted graphics win the competitions and that
they didn't get the place they deserved, but on the
other hand they always say that they are painting
just for fun... Doesn't this stand in contrast? As far
as I'm concerned, I don't mind if a converted picture
wins and I don't mind which place my picture gets, I
do it just for fun and I'm satisfied when I can be
sure that my picture is nice and that I like it myself
and that I can say that I'm satisfied with the result
of my work after many days/weeks of work. It is
really a nice feeling when you have finished a
picture after really hard work on the C64 and you
gave it your personal little touch and you can say:
"Yes! That's it!". For me this is motivation enough to
paint on and on...
Anyway, let's get over to the topic of Amiga and PC
painted graphics that then get converted to the C64.
Well, I must admit that I really don't like such artists
that do that and do NOT mention that they
converted and painted on another machine. It is
really much easier to paint on Amiga or PC. I don't
know that much about graphic tools on other
machines, but I know this much and this is true: You
have so many special functions in these tools that
you can easily do good graphics. For example you
even needn't do colourfadings, the computer does
this then for you!
Well, let's see what again my four guest reporters
have to say about Amiga and Pc painted graphics...
DEEKAY: "It's atleast better, though not completely...
I never got the point: I pixel my stuff on
Amiga/PC and hand it in the C64 compo? What
is this about then??? Atleast they did the
pic themselves, but with tools like pens,
smear fingers and cut'n'paste they rid
themselves of a lot of work, they have no
colorclashes and so on... Be on the C64 - be
ready to WORK hard is what I say! There
ain't no Mircosoft Developer Network that
supports your girly little ass with new
degenerated useless tools that more and
more rid you off the burden of this ugly
thing called "working"!
People should start boycotting IFLI, as it's
the only mode that comes close to a bitplane
or Junkie mode, meaning it has hardly any
color-clashed and thatfor is the most
convenient mode for wirers. Any other mode
gives a fucken lot of color-clashes or is
just too complex (UIFLI) for a stoopid
program to produce a decent result, and
that would mean re-working almost the
entire pic, something a cheater would prolly
never do! ...cuz that's "work"! (Yuck! There it
was again, that word!)"
ELECTRIC: "This is more a question of a graphician's
moral. It's a fact that it's more easier and
faster to draw by using all the friendly
software PC and Amiga do have; compared
to drawing with for example KOALA PAINTER
(if you don't remember this piece of shit
full of pure evilness I can tell you that
it's total HELL to draw a picture with it -
and I did over 50 of them). In my point of
view, I have drawn and I will draw all my
pictures for C64 with C64 because it's
natural - there was no Amigas or PCs when
I started this thing. I'm not going to argue
with anyone who uses PC to draw for C64 -
I don't like it but that's not my problem.
But hey! Do these people call themselves
C64 gfxers? That's it!"
ANDREAS: "Of course it is ok to paint on other
platforms and convert them to the C64!
However, using those in compos etc. really
suck! The gfx is self painted and
converted. To use these gfxs in demos or
compos should be criminal. :)"
JOE THE MADMAN: "Hardly. It's very easy to draw on
the PC, the only thing hard is to
prepare the picture for C64. I've
experimented with a lot of
different programs, and can almost
convert a picture without loosing a
single pixel - especially with the
I-FLI format. So no matter if it's
selfpainted or "ripped" - I think it's
too damn convenient. It was always
more fun doing the graphics by
joystick (I loved the clicking moving
sound!)"
As you can see here the opinions differ a little bit.
But I have to agree completely to JTM's opinion. It's
really too damn easy, and painting on the C64 might
be much harder, but also features much more FUN, in
my opinion... And fun is all why we should be/are
doing this scene-thing, isn't it?!?
Also I can't understand why people paint on the PC/
Amiga to release it then on the C64! Shouldn't it be
released on PC/Amiga then?!? It is an Amiga/PC gfx
and should be released in this scene! I really wonder
why guys like RAYDEN don't put it out in the right
scene and not on the C64... Maybe they fear to gain
not the first place on the other system? I guess so...
A shame that it is that way...
I can only say that the true C64 graphics always
were, are and will be better, more original and really
fighting for the real C64 spirit... And that's the
point it's all about: With the C64 we can want to show
what still is possible with this oldtimer under the
computers without any 200 MHz processor. That is
the real CBM64 scene spirit. And this should be kept,
also with the graphics...
I hope this chapter gave you quite some look on this
topic of converted graphics and what some artists
think about it and maybe I also made you think a bit
about it...
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For some time I've been planning to do a homepage
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and even more positive feedback.
Now I got my new domain (WWW.JORGEN.DK), which has
unlimited space and no restrictions unlimited traffic
access. So finally I can realize my project.
Therefor I urge you to spread the rumour, that I'm
looking for C64-graphic for my gallery. I would of
course prefer collections, but small pieces are of
course also welcome.
Since I don't have the time to rip a lot of graphic
from C64 to PC, so feel free to send me a C64-disc.
Don't expect me to return it - so ONLY SEND COPIES.
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Though I prefer getting the graphic as an E-mail
attachment (either PC or .D64). My E-mail address is:
JDA(at)JORGEN.DK
The gallery can be found at WWW.JORGEN.DK
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THE C64 ART-GALLERY IS A REALITY
Best regards...
JOE THE MADMAN/VISUAL REALITY/ANALOGUE
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