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		<title>Ymgve at 14:35, 26 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;              rrr - part 2&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- ---------------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
 -       rrr's chapter - part 2       -&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- ---------------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a lot of interesting things happened du-&lt;br /&gt;
ring the past few weeks. a certain lamer&lt;br /&gt;
tried  to sneak into our group, my acci-&lt;br /&gt;
dent,  the lack of calling cards, and so&lt;br /&gt;
on. that is the reason for editing a 2nd&lt;br /&gt;
chapter  this  issue in order to present&lt;br /&gt;
some  fair  journalism compared with en-&lt;br /&gt;
tertaining, sarcastic sequences in order&lt;br /&gt;
to  express my opinion as author. i know&lt;br /&gt;
that texts written in disk-magazines can&lt;br /&gt;
influence  the  readers  so i kindly ask&lt;br /&gt;
you  to  compare  all  articles with the&lt;br /&gt;
content of other magazines, to prove the&lt;br /&gt;
facts and to make up your own opinion to&lt;br /&gt;
be  sure about getting the best possible&lt;br /&gt;
supply while reading this magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well, i have thought about the future of&lt;br /&gt;
this chapter, too. a lot of people might&lt;br /&gt;
feel  offended while reading those lines&lt;br /&gt;
but  be  sure  about  that it is nothing&lt;br /&gt;
personal that motivated me to edit these&lt;br /&gt;
lines,  it is one statement that is lea-&lt;br /&gt;
ding  my behaviour: information wants to&lt;br /&gt;
be  free.  in my opinion an every reader&lt;br /&gt;
has  the  right  to get informed without&lt;br /&gt;
reading  a  censored magazine. ofcause i&lt;br /&gt;
could  easily stop causing trouble while&lt;br /&gt;
taking  one or two stories out but would&lt;br /&gt;
this  be  fair?  a lot of sceners are in&lt;br /&gt;
the need of the information written down&lt;br /&gt;
in  the  magazines and to make sure that&lt;br /&gt;
all  people  all  over  the world can be&lt;br /&gt;
sure  of  this i decided to edit all the&lt;br /&gt;
articles  in  order  to  supply you with&lt;br /&gt;
background information, information most&lt;br /&gt;
of today's magazines are not able to get&lt;br /&gt;
without  the help of dozens of informers&lt;br /&gt;
who are often not very reliable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the  cbm  64  scene is only a hobby like&lt;br /&gt;
soccer  is for me aswell. i do not spent&lt;br /&gt;
too  much time infront of my both compu-&lt;br /&gt;
ters  in comparison with the majority of&lt;br /&gt;
the scene even if it might looks like. i&lt;br /&gt;
think  the scene is some kind of secret,&lt;br /&gt;
hidden world you can dive in if you like&lt;br /&gt;
to  relax  from  the  stress of the real&lt;br /&gt;
life, but it is definately no substitude&lt;br /&gt;
for  it.  spending a lot of years in the&lt;br /&gt;
scene  makes  me  think about the time i&lt;br /&gt;
might  have wasted but i do not think it&lt;br /&gt;
was wasted. i made a lot of experiences,&lt;br /&gt;
ofcause  positive and negative ones, and&lt;br /&gt;
would like to present some examples:&lt;br /&gt;
a  lot of guys are complaining about the&lt;br /&gt;
behaviour of the so-called elite guys so&lt;br /&gt;
they start to shout sentences like: that&lt;br /&gt;
elite  guy thinks that he is cool but in&lt;br /&gt;
real  life he seems to be a total loser.&lt;br /&gt;
here  i would like to complain about the&lt;br /&gt;
person  who said this. is it proved that&lt;br /&gt;
the  elite  guy is a loser in real life?&lt;br /&gt;
it is possible that the person that said&lt;br /&gt;
this  wanted  to  hide his own faults in&lt;br /&gt;
order  to gain some attention and to get&lt;br /&gt;
more  known (=getting a better status in&lt;br /&gt;
the scene?)? it is proved that this per-&lt;br /&gt;
son  is not a kind of loser in real life&lt;br /&gt;
and wants to get well known? is it possi&lt;br /&gt;
ble  that  this person is jealous on the&lt;br /&gt;
success of the elite guy?&lt;br /&gt;
unfairness  is  something that should be&lt;br /&gt;
hated  not only from side. soccer can be&lt;br /&gt;
a fine sports until somebody is tackling&lt;br /&gt;
you and one of your legs got broken. ok,&lt;br /&gt;
that is a part of it, but wouldn't it be&lt;br /&gt;
more  enjoyable  without fouls? wouldn't&lt;br /&gt;
the  scene be more enjoyable if everyone&lt;br /&gt;
would accept the status of the other men&lt;br /&gt;
and  women around? ofcause there are al-&lt;br /&gt;
ways  differences  between the abilities&lt;br /&gt;
and  knowledge  but  is  it  a reason to&lt;br /&gt;
attack  each other? the problem is often&lt;br /&gt;
that  most  of  the offences did not get&lt;br /&gt;
started from the so-called elite as they&lt;br /&gt;
do not need to gain more attention. most&lt;br /&gt;
offences got started from the small guys&lt;br /&gt;
to gain attention and to get more known.&lt;br /&gt;
don't  you  trust your own skills? don't&lt;br /&gt;
you  think  it  is possible to climb the&lt;br /&gt;
ladder of success in a fair way? most of&lt;br /&gt;
today's  elite  are  about four years in&lt;br /&gt;
the  business  so be sure that they have&lt;br /&gt;
more  experience  and  knowledge  due to&lt;br /&gt;
their  work all over the years. this ex-&lt;br /&gt;
periences  can't  be  made  within a few&lt;br /&gt;
short  months.  it would be nice if some&lt;br /&gt;
of you start thinking about the previous&lt;br /&gt;
line and to send in your intention about&lt;br /&gt;
it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
after  this endless monologue it it time&lt;br /&gt;
to continue with the business text.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- ---------------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
 -     reaction to the tribune #47    -&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- ---------------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
at first i would like to add that i like&lt;br /&gt;
that magazine - atleast a little bit. it&lt;br /&gt;
makes  me  thinking about its' content -&lt;br /&gt;
and that is very important in my opinion&lt;br /&gt;
i  am getting some inspirations if there&lt;br /&gt;
is  something  i  would like to correct,&lt;br /&gt;
for the readerships' and for my very own&lt;br /&gt;
pleasure. i like to see the editorial of&lt;br /&gt;
the  tribute  reading and thinking about&lt;br /&gt;
my  intentions presented in the skyhigh,&lt;br /&gt;
and  i  like to read their reactions. it&lt;br /&gt;
is by far a good thing for both sides as&lt;br /&gt;
there  is  always  something to complain&lt;br /&gt;
and to discuss about. please keep always&lt;br /&gt;
in  mind  it  is nothing personal, it is&lt;br /&gt;
the  pleasure  to discuss that motivates&lt;br /&gt;
me.  atleast it is based onto a friendly&lt;br /&gt;
niveau  and  i  hope we can hold up this&lt;br /&gt;
standart.&lt;br /&gt;
the  endless  discussion seems to become&lt;br /&gt;
a  regular  part of my chapter but as an&lt;br /&gt;
every  story  has  two  sides it is very&lt;br /&gt;
important to read and understand my ver-&lt;br /&gt;
sion in order to be updated and well in-&lt;br /&gt;
formed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
comparing  the issues of two competeting&lt;br /&gt;
magazines  in addiction to several disk-&lt;br /&gt;
notes  spread  around made me very inte-&lt;br /&gt;
rested  in  the hot tempered discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
my  results can be checked while proving&lt;br /&gt;
the sources so this was a very objective&lt;br /&gt;
result  in  my opinion. maybe i prefered&lt;br /&gt;
to read the pulse magazine but the facts&lt;br /&gt;
are reality in my point of view.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
furthermore the outfit of both magazines&lt;br /&gt;
has  been  judged  on the programm code,&lt;br /&gt;
the  graphics and the musics. the menues&lt;br /&gt;
of  both  magazines look very simple but&lt;br /&gt;
useful.  the only things to mention here&lt;br /&gt;
are  that  the  graphic in the pulse was&lt;br /&gt;
much better (drawn by kring/camelot) but&lt;br /&gt;
the  charset used was hard to read. that&lt;br /&gt;
reaction  came from the majority aswell.&lt;br /&gt;
the text display routine in the pulse is&lt;br /&gt;
offering fullscreen proportional charset&lt;br /&gt;
texts  while the tribune used an average&lt;br /&gt;
40 chars wide upscroller (like this one)&lt;br /&gt;
what is no big deal in my eyes. fact is,&lt;br /&gt;
from  the eye of an editor, that the or-&lt;br /&gt;
dinary  40 chars display routine is much&lt;br /&gt;
more  user-friendly  while  editing  the&lt;br /&gt;
chapters  as  i have experience with so-&lt;br /&gt;
called  proportional  charset editors of&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;vandalism news&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;update&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;news press&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
and  &amp;quot;relax&amp;quot;.  in  comparison with those&lt;br /&gt;
editors i really enjoy to work with this&lt;br /&gt;
utility,  the texteditor v2.0 created by&lt;br /&gt;
dagger of atrix, which offers everything&lt;br /&gt;
to  guarantee  the  possible  options to&lt;br /&gt;
edit texts on cbm 64.&lt;br /&gt;
the music in the pulse was in my opinion&lt;br /&gt;
better  then the musics used in the tri-&lt;br /&gt;
bune  so far but this seems to be a sub-&lt;br /&gt;
ject  where  we will never come to a sa-&lt;br /&gt;
tisfying result. i guess taste is diffe-&lt;br /&gt;
rent and that might be the reason for it&lt;br /&gt;
so there is nothing to be cleared up. by&lt;br /&gt;
the  way, i have not only refered to the&lt;br /&gt;
last two issues of tribune when i repor-&lt;br /&gt;
rted  about ripped musics. to inform the&lt;br /&gt;
readers  it  is  important to publish my&lt;br /&gt;
statements correctly.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
just to reflect your intention about the&lt;br /&gt;
musics  used  in skyhigh i have to point&lt;br /&gt;
out  that musicians get a chance to pre-&lt;br /&gt;
sent their work to a bright mass of rea-&lt;br /&gt;
ders, an audience that unknown composers&lt;br /&gt;
maybe  would not reach with their musics&lt;br /&gt;
being used in their own productions only&lt;br /&gt;
so  they  have the chance to become more&lt;br /&gt;
popular and to earn some votes.&lt;br /&gt;
we  care about the musical background as&lt;br /&gt;
we  are  checking all soundtracks before&lt;br /&gt;
they  are  going to be used as they have&lt;br /&gt;
to  reach a standart in order to come up&lt;br /&gt;
to the level of the skyhigh.&lt;br /&gt;
not  only unknown musicians but a lot of&lt;br /&gt;
well  known musicians started to compose&lt;br /&gt;
a  lot  of excellent tunes for our maga-&lt;br /&gt;
zine  so  far, like i.e. red devil/fair-&lt;br /&gt;
light,  the  syndrom/tia/crest, pri/tia/&lt;br /&gt;
oxyron, peace/noice, echo/equinoxe, only&lt;br /&gt;
to name a few.&lt;br /&gt;
to  complete  this  i  would like to add&lt;br /&gt;
that  we are spreading all the tracks as&lt;br /&gt;
external files in order that our readers&lt;br /&gt;
are  able to use them into their diskno-&lt;br /&gt;
tes  and  that the composers are getting&lt;br /&gt;
more  and  more known, do not forget the&lt;br /&gt;
attention  they  are  gaining with their&lt;br /&gt;
tunes  being spread in a well-spread ma-&lt;br /&gt;
gazine. that is ofcause only possible if&lt;br /&gt;
there  is  some memory left on the disk.&lt;br /&gt;
it  is a special service for our readers&lt;br /&gt;
that  they are able to choose one of the&lt;br /&gt;
tracks  they prefer so they are not for-&lt;br /&gt;
ced  to  listen to a track that comes up&lt;br /&gt;
to our taste.&lt;br /&gt;
here i would like to reflect your atten-&lt;br /&gt;
tion to &amp;quot;tunehigh&amp;quot;, dedicated to all the&lt;br /&gt;
musicians  that  supported &amp;quot;skyhigh&amp;quot; all&lt;br /&gt;
over  the  issues,  released in order to&lt;br /&gt;
celebrate their work.&lt;br /&gt;
here i would like to request very kindly&lt;br /&gt;
who is ripping off the musicians?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
concerning your graphics problem i liked&lt;br /&gt;
to  read your intention about me drawing&lt;br /&gt;
some  graphics for your magazine. as you&lt;br /&gt;
can  see in all of my adverts in the se-&lt;br /&gt;
veral diskmagazines i am selling (game-)&lt;br /&gt;
graphics  for reasonable prices. samples&lt;br /&gt;
of  my  work  can be judged in magazines&lt;br /&gt;
like  &amp;quot;vandalism  news&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;domination&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
and in actual intros from &amp;quot;alpha flight&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
and in forthcoming productions from well&lt;br /&gt;
known  groups  like &amp;quot;palace&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;dytec&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
only  to  name  a few. do not forget the&lt;br /&gt;
soon  coming  oxyron  demonstrations  on&lt;br /&gt;
the cbm 64 and on the amiga!&lt;br /&gt;
without  any doubts your graphical level&lt;br /&gt;
would  rise.  i hope you won't misunder-&lt;br /&gt;
stand  the previous lines but everything&lt;br /&gt;
has  its price these days and due to the&lt;br /&gt;
fact  that  my car got destroyed i am in&lt;br /&gt;
the  need of money. no hard feelings! at&lt;br /&gt;
the  moment i am very busy with creating&lt;br /&gt;
game graphics for atleast for games so i&lt;br /&gt;
definately  have  no  sparetime left for&lt;br /&gt;
non-commercial graphics these days.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
ofcause  i  do not expect the readership&lt;br /&gt;
sharing  my  ideas  and intentions but i&lt;br /&gt;
use this media to inform everyone in the&lt;br /&gt;
cbm  64  about  unregularities  in  this&lt;br /&gt;
scene  that  used to be much better some&lt;br /&gt;
years  ago.  the  information i am going&lt;br /&gt;
to  place  here are ofcause in many opi-&lt;br /&gt;
nions  very  subjective but here i would&lt;br /&gt;
like  to  recall you that there is defi-&lt;br /&gt;
nately no objective magazine around. al-&lt;br /&gt;
ways keep in mind that the magazines are&lt;br /&gt;
edited  by groups and all the groups are&lt;br /&gt;
using  their  magazine  to present their&lt;br /&gt;
propaganda  and the spread their opinion&lt;br /&gt;
to manipulate the readership!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
to come to an end i would like to advice&lt;br /&gt;
you  not  missing  the follow-ups in the&lt;br /&gt;
next  issues  of both magazines, as this&lt;br /&gt;
discussion might never end.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- ---------------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
 - h/p stuff - are you interested in? -&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- ---------------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well,  like said in the previous chapter&lt;br /&gt;
i own around 10 mb of text sources about&lt;br /&gt;
hacking  and phreaking and i am thinking&lt;br /&gt;
about  releasing some old but very inte-&lt;br /&gt;
resting textfiles.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the  content  of the files was found out&lt;br /&gt;
by the pioneers of hacking and phreaking&lt;br /&gt;
and  gives you a general view about that&lt;br /&gt;
business without diving to deep into the&lt;br /&gt;
history  of  h/p, that means i would not&lt;br /&gt;
spread  actual  calling  card numbers or&lt;br /&gt;
actual  frequncies in order support some&lt;br /&gt;
sceners  to  lead  them into the illegal&lt;br /&gt;
busines.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
some  of  the textfiles reach back up to&lt;br /&gt;
1984  while  there  are others, like the&lt;br /&gt;
one  about how to use calling cards that&lt;br /&gt;
got leeched this summer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
if  you  are  interested in that kind of&lt;br /&gt;
text in your favourite magazine just let&lt;br /&gt;
us  know  so that we (the skyhigh staff)&lt;br /&gt;
are able to come up to your wishes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 - -- ---------------------------- -- -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
finally, after around 200 blocks of text&lt;br /&gt;
from  my side it is time to say good-bye&lt;br /&gt;
and to remember you to be sure about re-&lt;br /&gt;
loading  this chapter in the next issues&lt;br /&gt;
of skyhigh, too.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
best regards,&lt;br /&gt;
              rrr/oxyron&lt;br /&gt;
              ----------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         - november 18th, 1994 -&lt;br /&gt;
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