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		<title>Ymgve at 15:01, 25 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;             about magazines&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
      about the sense of diskmags&lt;br /&gt;
      ---------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
while reading &amp;quot;nitro #14&amp;quot; i've found the&lt;br /&gt;
chapter &amp;quot;cruncherreview&amp;quot;. i got interes-&lt;br /&gt;
ted and loaded it into the memory.&lt;br /&gt;
this chapter was edited by cat/excess,&lt;br /&gt;
who quitted swapping some weeks/months&lt;br /&gt;
ago.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
they've tested the following tools, i've&lt;br /&gt;
written a short classification behind&lt;br /&gt;
the name&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
name                 - status&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
abuze-cruncher  v3.2 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
softcrunch      v4.0 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
powercrunch     v7.1 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
byte bonker     v1.4 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
exploding faces      - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
imp. exp. faces      - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
exploding faces v2.0 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
fast crueler    v4.0 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
unipacker       v2.0 - packer&lt;br /&gt;
cruelcruncher   v4.0 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
sledge hammer   v2.0 - packer, linker&lt;br /&gt;
sledge hammer   v3.0 - packer, linker&lt;br /&gt;
timecruncher    v5.2 - cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
byte compactor       - packer&lt;br /&gt;
protect cruncher     - cruncher with&lt;br /&gt;
                     - protect function&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well, if you've read the previous lines&lt;br /&gt;
very carefully you've found out that&lt;br /&gt;
they have reviewed packer and linker as-&lt;br /&gt;
well. therefore it's not possible to&lt;br /&gt;
make a kind of ranking like cat did. he&lt;br /&gt;
ranked them into speed, there were the&lt;br /&gt;
packer and linker ofcoz the fastest and&lt;br /&gt;
the packing result were the crunchers&lt;br /&gt;
have been ruling.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the source file that has to be crunched&lt;br /&gt;
was a 88 blocks long notefile edited and&lt;br /&gt;
packed with cadgers noter v4.3. as you&lt;br /&gt;
can see, the source files already has&lt;br /&gt;
been packed and cat wondered about the&lt;br /&gt;
packing/crunching results of the packers&lt;br /&gt;
coz they added some blocks (their depack&lt;br /&gt;
routine). he complained aswell about the&lt;br /&gt;
time that the crunchers needed to shor-&lt;br /&gt;
ten the file (e.x. powercruncher v7.1,&lt;br /&gt;
time required: 22 minutes). after the&lt;br /&gt;
time and quality ranking he made another&lt;br /&gt;
ranking called overall ranking. he was&lt;br /&gt;
calculating the amount of blocks crun-&lt;br /&gt;
ched per minute and the cruncher/packer&lt;br /&gt;
with the best result came on the top.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
basicly i've to say a ranking like cat&lt;br /&gt;
did is a ranking from his point of view&lt;br /&gt;
and shouldn't be released in a magazine&lt;br /&gt;
as there could be somebody outside who&lt;br /&gt;
believes into these words. this chapter&lt;br /&gt;
should have been devided into a cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
and a packer category, if you're not in-&lt;br /&gt;
formed about the difference i'll explain&lt;br /&gt;
it:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a packer is a tool that packs an unpak-&lt;br /&gt;
ked file, for example the packer built&lt;br /&gt;
into &amp;quot;facenoter v0.1&amp;quot; back the area bet-&lt;br /&gt;
ween $0801 to text end, maximum $c000&lt;br /&gt;
and saves a packed file onto disk. you&lt;br /&gt;
can enter a monitor and save the unpak-&lt;br /&gt;
ked area by hand and later on pack the&lt;br /&gt;
file with &amp;quot;unipacker v2.0&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;bytecompak-&lt;br /&gt;
tor&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;sledge hammer&amp;quot; and you'll fi-&lt;br /&gt;
gure out that the result is similar to&lt;br /&gt;
the packer built in the various note&lt;br /&gt;
writers (difference can be between 3-4&lt;br /&gt;
blocks, it depends on the packer). a&lt;br /&gt;
packer starts normally packing when the&lt;br /&gt;
source file was loaded.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a cruncher is a tool to crunch the pak-&lt;br /&gt;
ked file. ofcoz you can crunch an unpak-&lt;br /&gt;
ked file aswell if you've too much spare&lt;br /&gt;
time left. best packing results can be&lt;br /&gt;
realised with a special combination of a&lt;br /&gt;
packer and a cruncher (e.x. pack your&lt;br /&gt;
source with &amp;quot;zipper&amp;quot; and crunch it later&lt;br /&gt;
on with &amp;quot;cruel cruncher&amp;quot;). some cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
check the file first after loading, af-&lt;br /&gt;
ter checking out they start to crunch.&lt;br /&gt;
that's the reason for the time required&lt;br /&gt;
to crunch a file.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a linker is a file that allows you to&lt;br /&gt;
merge various files. if you've e.x. a&lt;br /&gt;
charset at $0800, a scrolltext at $0a00,&lt;br /&gt;
a music at $1000, code at $1800 and&lt;br /&gt;
screen $2000 and logo at $2400 you start&lt;br /&gt;
choosing the files in the following or-&lt;br /&gt;
der: files with a lower memory must be&lt;br /&gt;
loaded infront of higher ones, so the&lt;br /&gt;
loading operation should look like this:&lt;br /&gt;
1. charset, 2. scrolltext, 3. music, 4.&lt;br /&gt;
code, 5. screen and 6. logo. a linker&lt;br /&gt;
packs normally all files after loading&lt;br /&gt;
to one &amp;quot;big&amp;quot; file.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
okay, the results of the cruncher are&lt;br /&gt;
acceptable. i think the best cruncher&lt;br /&gt;
should be the cruncher that crunches&lt;br /&gt;
most and needs less time. to explain my&lt;br /&gt;
idea have a look at the following table&lt;br /&gt;
(imaginary file &amp;quot;x&amp;quot; 90 blocks long)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
name        - crunched - lenght - time&lt;br /&gt;
----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;
cruncher a  - ./. 50   -     40 - 05:04&lt;br /&gt;
cruncher b  - ./. 50   -     40 - 16:15&lt;br /&gt;
cruncher c  - ./. 49   -     41 - 09:37&lt;br /&gt;
cruncher d  - ./. 48   -     42 - 01:15&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
that's the kind of ranking i would pre-&lt;br /&gt;
fer. i would devide the different forms&lt;br /&gt;
of the compactor into the subjects &amp;quot;pak-&lt;br /&gt;
ker&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;cruncher&amp;quot; and not merge them&lt;br /&gt;
as you can't compare these tools.&lt;br /&gt;
if you want to test the packers please&lt;br /&gt;
use an unpacked source file, not a pak-&lt;br /&gt;
ked file.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
this chapter has disqualified &amp;quot;nitro&amp;quot; to&lt;br /&gt;
be taken as a serious scene magazine. in&lt;br /&gt;
my opinion a mag editor should have any&lt;br /&gt;
kind of knowledge and the main editor&lt;br /&gt;
should read everything infront of relea-&lt;br /&gt;
sing a magzine with that kind of false&lt;br /&gt;
information.&lt;br /&gt;
mostly beginners are reading mags and&lt;br /&gt;
they're interested in that kind of ar-&lt;br /&gt;
ticles to see what kind of tools are the&lt;br /&gt;
best to be used. if they believe to the&lt;br /&gt;
article written by cat they might never&lt;br /&gt;
use the so-called packer and linker as&lt;br /&gt;
they've learned in &amp;quot;nitro #14&amp;quot; that&lt;br /&gt;
their packing results were that worse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
this might be taken over for another&lt;br /&gt;
subject, the mass of magazines being&lt;br /&gt;
spread these days.&lt;br /&gt;
most of the mags are without any doubts&lt;br /&gt;
quite lame. no kind of fair journalism,&lt;br /&gt;
no ideas and background information if&lt;br /&gt;
these mags are edited by newcommers, a&lt;br /&gt;
not acceptable outfit, to come to an end&lt;br /&gt;
most of the mags being released nowadays&lt;br /&gt;
aren't worth to fill the space on the&lt;br /&gt;
disk.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
so i'd like to ask all magazine editors:&lt;br /&gt;
handle only subjects when you know about&lt;br /&gt;
what you're talking. we don't like to&lt;br /&gt;
read unqualified texts written just to&lt;br /&gt;
fill up your magazine. don't try to fill&lt;br /&gt;
your mag with texts when you're not 100%&lt;br /&gt;
sure that the facts were proved, i'm not&lt;br /&gt;
talking about news'n rumours here, i'm&lt;br /&gt;
talking about that kind of professional&lt;br /&gt;
articles like the try in &amp;quot;nitro&amp;quot; to re-&lt;br /&gt;
view cruncher for the masses.&lt;br /&gt;
if you don't understand what i like to&lt;br /&gt;
explain here please read the last four&lt;br /&gt;
issues of &amp;quot;the pulse&amp;quot;. here you can find&lt;br /&gt;
professional texts with journalistic&lt;br /&gt;
background.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
do you remember the good old times. only&lt;br /&gt;
a few diskmags were released like the&lt;br /&gt;
legendary &amp;quot;sex'n crime&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;fatal news&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;mamba&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;magic news&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;relax&amp;quot;. i can&lt;br /&gt;
not remember to have seen four or more&lt;br /&gt;
chapters about music, music news, music&lt;br /&gt;
charts or songtexts in it. today most of&lt;br /&gt;
the top voted magazines like &amp;quot;a-head&amp;quot; or&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;splash&amp;quot; contain chapters like that. is&lt;br /&gt;
this is the sense of a scene mag, to in-&lt;br /&gt;
form the reader about the top ten music&lt;br /&gt;
hits in various countries. a lot of the&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;new&amp;quot; magazines adapted these chapters&lt;br /&gt;
so most of the magazines contain about&lt;br /&gt;
50 or even more blocks of music informa-&lt;br /&gt;
tion. that's not the right way of fil-&lt;br /&gt;
ling a scene related diskmagazine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
editing a chart chapter is a hard work&lt;br /&gt;
in my opinion. but is there any sense in&lt;br /&gt;
a chart that contains more then 200 po-&lt;br /&gt;
sitions just again to fill memory to&lt;br /&gt;
hide the few real scene text blocks very&lt;br /&gt;
carefully.&lt;br /&gt;
a scene magazine is the mirror of the&lt;br /&gt;
readers. you can acknowledge while re-&lt;br /&gt;
garding the charts what kind of readers&lt;br /&gt;
like to support this magazine. when you&lt;br /&gt;
can find rather unknown persons/groups&lt;br /&gt;
in the top ten/twenty you can be sure&lt;br /&gt;
that a lot of newcommers voted here to&lt;br /&gt;
support their friend/contact.&lt;br /&gt;
at all, these so-called mega-charts are&lt;br /&gt;
the the most fair charts these days. you&lt;br /&gt;
can be sure that a mega chart with re-&lt;br /&gt;
sults from more then 20 magazines is&lt;br /&gt;
more fair then a megachart from 10 disk-&lt;br /&gt;
mags. the mega charts reflect most times&lt;br /&gt;
the top ten/twenty is these so-called&lt;br /&gt;
elite mags.&lt;br /&gt;
the dutch magazine &amp;quot;flashback&amp;quot; has found&lt;br /&gt;
it's own way how to handle the charts.&lt;br /&gt;
the guy/group with the most plus votes&lt;br /&gt;
per month gets the top position. for ex-&lt;br /&gt;
ample the group &amp;quot;x&amp;quot; had last month 100&lt;br /&gt;
points, this month 120 points and the&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;y&amp;quot; had last month 1000 points and this&lt;br /&gt;
month 1001 points. in &amp;quot;flashback&amp;quot; the&lt;br /&gt;
group &amp;quot;x&amp;quot; will be on the first spot as&lt;br /&gt;
they got 20% more votes then last time&lt;br /&gt;
and the group &amp;quot;y&amp;quot; that had a lot of more&lt;br /&gt;
point but only 0,1% more then last time&lt;br /&gt;
so they only got on the second position.&lt;br /&gt;
i don't like this system very much but&lt;br /&gt;
it's an interesting idea how to solute&lt;br /&gt;
the problem charts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
news should be new, therefore the chap-&lt;br /&gt;
ter got its name from new. to avoid has-&lt;br /&gt;
sle the chapter got a second name in&lt;br /&gt;
addition called &amp;quot;rumours&amp;quot;. now you're&lt;br /&gt;
allowed to print all kind of news and&lt;br /&gt;
rumours even if they're not proved. sad-&lt;br /&gt;
ly the magazines have big delays these&lt;br /&gt;
days (except &amp;quot;the pulse&amp;quot;) so that the&lt;br /&gt;
vote sheets with news, addresses etc.&lt;br /&gt;
are not up-to-date so sometimes you can&lt;br /&gt;
only laugh while reading several news&lt;br /&gt;
printed in the mags.&lt;br /&gt;
it's better if a mag editor or a close&lt;br /&gt;
friend has access to the major board to&lt;br /&gt;
pick up the latest news around to update&lt;br /&gt;
the news in the mag. it's worthless to&lt;br /&gt;
live only from the news written on the&lt;br /&gt;
votesheets, nobody can be that stupid to&lt;br /&gt;
think that the news on a vote sheet are&lt;br /&gt;
that new. remember that x spreads the&lt;br /&gt;
sheet to y, y fills in the brackets and&lt;br /&gt;
returns it after one or two weeks, then&lt;br /&gt;
x has to send it back to the editor and&lt;br /&gt;
again one or two weeks are lost. now the&lt;br /&gt;
news are around 4 weeks old and the mag&lt;br /&gt;
will be spread in 4 weeks and then the&lt;br /&gt;
content of the news is 8 weeks old and&lt;br /&gt;
uninteresting. got it?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the address chapter is a chapter that&lt;br /&gt;
can't be handled wrong. it's a kind of&lt;br /&gt;
advertisement to get some more contacts.&lt;br /&gt;
some dudes sort the names and groups&lt;br /&gt;
from a-z and that's the way it is. this&lt;br /&gt;
system is really nice but a hard work if&lt;br /&gt;
you got more then 100 vote sheets sup-&lt;br /&gt;
plied. it's your decision how to make&lt;br /&gt;
the best out of the source.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a &amp;quot;did you know...&amp;quot; chapter is sometimes&lt;br /&gt;
interesting and was invented by &amp;quot;mamba&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
it's nice if you can read some facts or&lt;br /&gt;
funny things about sceners but absolute&lt;br /&gt;
useless to print facts about countries&lt;br /&gt;
or anything else what is in no way re-&lt;br /&gt;
lated with the scene. if you add some&lt;br /&gt;
other stuff here don't do it in a scene&lt;br /&gt;
mag.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
a mixed chapter is something like free-&lt;br /&gt;
style. here you can edit everything. you&lt;br /&gt;
can inform the readers about new equip-&lt;br /&gt;
ment or new groups or whatever else but&lt;br /&gt;
please don't add a story about techno&lt;br /&gt;
music or uninteresting not scene related&lt;br /&gt;
facts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
please think twice about what you write&lt;br /&gt;
and release into your mag. a mag can be&lt;br /&gt;
a very powerful medium to present any&lt;br /&gt;
form of propaganda. there are many dudes&lt;br /&gt;
that believe in texts written in your&lt;br /&gt;
magazine. the dudes that believe into&lt;br /&gt;
your texts are mostly newcommer that&lt;br /&gt;
started some weeks/months ago. they are&lt;br /&gt;
not that well informed like for example&lt;br /&gt;
people who belong to the scene for more&lt;br /&gt;
then 2 years and they might get a false&lt;br /&gt;
point of view after reading false/use-&lt;br /&gt;
less texts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the cbm 64 is one of the most beloved&lt;br /&gt;
machines on this machine and it's very&lt;br /&gt;
simple to handle if you've ever worked&lt;br /&gt;
on a pc or an amiga. try to do any kind&lt;br /&gt;
of serious work combined with a lot of&lt;br /&gt;
fun and don't edit any kind of fake-mags&lt;br /&gt;
like &amp;quot;popelganga&amp;quot; and similar crap maga-&lt;br /&gt;
zines. please check out your magazine&lt;br /&gt;
and think twice about the content and if&lt;br /&gt;
you think your mag can't compete with&lt;br /&gt;
the rest please try to code some demos&lt;br /&gt;
or games but please don't waste your&lt;br /&gt;
time with editing a magazine. the majo-&lt;br /&gt;
rity of the readers will be very grate-&lt;br /&gt;
ful to see a boring mag disappearing&lt;br /&gt;
from the scene.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i'm very interested in your reactions&lt;br /&gt;
about this text.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
yours sincerly,&lt;br /&gt;
                rrr/oxyron&lt;br /&gt;
                   /alpha flight 1970&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                            january 1994&lt;br /&gt;
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