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<pre>BEAST/HYSTERIC+INSIDERS (in his note
'Beast Mania #37'):
"PROPAGANDA is cool,but I also like
MAMBA (no offense...). Could you send
me some originals?"

SORRY,NO ORIGINALS FOR MAMBA-FANS!

FELIX/AMOK-Amiga Section (on the phone):
"PROPAGANDA is really VERY nice!!!
Just too much text! Hehehe! When I saw
the intro I was totally fascinated...
Seems like the C64 is not dead yet."

DANNY/THE FORCE (in a letter to SCRAP):
"Cool mag,maybe not so objective,but no
mag today is objective."

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE ARE NOT OBJECTIVE?!
EVER SEEN A FEEDBACK LIKE OURS?

INTRUDER/BLACK REIGN (on the phone):
"PROPAGANDA is VERRRY cool!"

DRAKE/VICTIMS (on the phone):
"I like PROPAGANDA! The intro was cool.
Great coding... And really funny!"

THE SHADOW/EXCELLENCE (on the phone):
"It's a fucking cool mag! I like it...
Once I thought MAMBA was nice,but your
PROPAGANDA simply blows it away!!!"

THOMAS KONCINA/DIGITAL MARKETING
(on the phone):
"Congratulations! PROPAGANDA is really
the BEST magazine on the C64! It's a
hammer!!! And the intro is incredible!"

DEF JAY/NATO (on the phone):
"Very good text!"

MR.PERFECT/AKRAK (in a letter):
"Hi,SCRAP,here's MISTER PERFECT of AKRAK
and the reason I'm writing to you is
because of the fact that you don't know
nothing about demoreviewing. The biggest
example is your demoreview of our demo
PARANOIA of April 1991. Let me tell you
that I would have written you before but
I couldn't as I was on holiday to Spain.
Gee man,you really don't know nothing
about demo's,atleast the difference
between a good and a bad demo because
you call good demo's lame (PARANOIA) and
lame demo's good (VIOLATOR... Haha,the
lamest coding ever). So our demo has bad
coding,eh? VIOLATOR doesn't seem to have
any good coding at all. The music was
ripped,ok,but we don't have an composer,
why didn't you mentioned that in your
demorevieuw??? Our design and graphics

were megacool. Just look at Seaside or
the menue or every part you want. Many
people told me that the demo was mighty
and they also told me that instead your
work in VIOLATOR was just shit.
You don't know nothing about coding and
my personnal opinion is that you don't
even deserve a place in the top 2O of
the graphics charts.

Yours,The skinhead
of AKRAK,MR.PERFECT"

WE LOVE YOU,TOO!

MC-T-FLY/TAT (in a letter):
"I liked PROPAGANDA #O2 very much! The
intro is cool! MAMBA is lame!"

YOU GOT THE POINT.

JIHAD/ACTION (on the phone):
"PROPAGANDA is incredibly cool. It's
definitely the best magazine around
(Only SEX'N'CRIME was better!) because
it is something SPECIAL. Some lamers say
they don't like PROPAGANDA... No wonder,
they say that because you rag on them...
But they ALL read it anyway!"

PER/ABYSS CONNECTION (in a letter):
"Cool mag you have,hope that it will be
as cool as the old SEX'N'CRIME!
MAMBA SUX!!! PROPAGANDA rulez!
But BITMANIA is cool,too!
One of your unlimited readers signing
off: Per/Abyss Connection"

BITMANIA?

PYRO/PROXYON (his comment below the
magazine-charts in the second issue of
his magazine "FLASH BACK"):
"PROPAGANDA has got a real cash success
after the first issue although it was
ragging like hell to other people. Seems
that the scene likes to see people
ragging. But I admit that PROPAGANDA was
funny to read."

OH,YOU ADMIT IT? THANK YOU...
WE REALLY DO CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINION.
(HELL! WHO IS THAT GUY?!?)

SCAT/REBELS (on the phone):
"PROPAGANDA is super! Especially the
intro!! I just hate that you have to
wait so long until you can press space
in the intro. The text is really good!"

AL BUNDY/MTX/CABANA (in a note):
"I have had a quick look at PROPAGANDA 2
(I had 2 different versions... Both
different text????????)
Anyway,it looked a good read,I'll finish
it in the week. As for the comment about
my votes,well you were right,they are
lame,I don't have the time to vote any-
more,and I have had very little time in
the past,it's just been the case of
putting down the first name that I think
of. Charts are shit,they can never give
an accurate figure of the scene,unless
EVERYONE sees EVERY piece of code,EVERY
music,ALL mags and ALL graphics,and then
if they all vote unbiased. I don't think
anyone takes much note of the charts
anyway.
Although,I like the idea you had in BAD
NEWS,it was interesting and unbiased."

REMIX/CLIQUE (in a letter):
"It's really nice to see G*P is active
again. The new PROPAGANDA (#2) was neat,
lots of text!
Just a sign of how much I enjoyed it:
I had to go to the central post-office
to get a big pack coming from England
to me. I really wondered what it was and
who it was coming from. But just when I
was about to leave,I saw the postman
bringing my mail... Packages,among them
was yours. And I went back home and
started reading PROPAGANDA from top to
toe... When I was finished,the central
post-office was closed,and I had to wait
another day to get the big pack from
England. Another surprise to me was that
I received another PROPAGANDA... And I
believe it's a fake one,just like the
faked BAD NEWS from TRANSCOM. More

surprisingly,I was in the LAMER-CHARTS!
Well,I've been swapping on the 64 for
about 2 years,I had great friends and
contacts,swapped like hell.. I've NEVER
been talking shit about anyone. I never
wrote "Send hotter or I'll drop you!" to
any of my contacts. I always thank them
for what they send,although some send
real shit,but I believe that this scene
is for friendship,and I simply can't
hurt any friend just because he sent me
some old stuff. No,I can't do that. I'm
editing a mag ("SCRIPT") and I never
attacked anyone in it,always tried my
best to be objective... But still people
put me in the lamer-charts!?! If that
PROPAGANDA (the other one) is a fake,
I really want to know who did it,so that
maybe he can tell me why I'm lame. But
if it's a real "PROPAGANDA" (which can't

be,as it's also #2. Two #2 issues?),then
"thanx" to all voters... MORON/PARADIZE/
BOYS was also in the lamer-charts and if
this means that he's lame,then I accept
that I'm also lame,as this guy is one of
my best friends in the scene. Well,that
was all about this matter... But I was
really hurt! I'm always trying to behave
friendly and now look what I receive...
On the disk you can find the 7th issue
of SCRIPT. I hope you're going to like
it. Please check the news part for some-
thing you may be interested,there's news
about you,a federation against you. They
wanted me to print a message to you.
Anyway,I'm living in Turkiye,which is
not near the real scene-countries like
Germany,Holland etc. So,it's nearly
impossible for me to understand how
people can make wars. In PROPAGANDA #2

there was a sentence you wrote,and I
believe that says it all: "This is just
a computer... Nothing else." People are
in war just because of a computer and
forget their real aim: Friendship. You
may think that I'm always scorning
problems and always talking about
friendship etc. but that's the way I am.
Please tell me who the hell made the
PROPAGANDA fake and I'll ask them a
couple of questions..."

TCH/BRUTAL (in a note):
"Is it true that there are 3 issues of
PROPAGANDA 2 as I've seen two totaly
different ones!?! I think it's something
to do with this 'INFANTILY/X-RAPED' dude
as R.C.S. got it from those suckers..."

3 ISSUES?!? GOOD GRIEF!

ACTION JACKSON/TRC (in his note "Let me
speak/TRC"):
"By the way... Have you read the wrong
issue of PROPAGANDA #2? This issue was
completely written by a fuckin' lamer
called... INFINITY of X-REETED.
So you kutlamer,if you think you can
call us gays or fags,then try to call me
up again and show up at Venlo so that we
can clear 'things' up. Take sum Ehbo
materials with you,just in case!!"

AIRWOLF/ACTION (on the phone):
"INFINITY is a pretty lame little child.
He is just a boasting lamer who tries to
get famous by being in war with you."

I AM ON THIS COMPUTER FOR ABOUT 6 YEARS
NOW,BUT A LAMER LIKE INFINITY I HAVE NOT
SEEN BEFORE.

GRIM REAPER/NEI (on the phone):
"PROPAGANDA #2 was cool like always...
I really liked the demo-reviews,so keep
SCRAP doing them! And continue exposing
lamers like ROOZE/DISCOVERY and that
INFINITY/X-RATED!
I downloaded "ARE WE THE BEST?" once,and
it was real crap,just like GAMERS GUIDE.
They use lame mini-intros to have short
versions and review old games because
they can't have any first releases."

MARWIN/TAT (in his note "Hallo Eikels"):
"Cool demo and cool mag!! This is a very
cool sending from you!! Send soon and
send those cool GP-wares!!"

KULLERBLUME/CORNICHON (at my place,when
I showed him PROPAGANDA):
"Waaaaahnsinn,ey! Ey,waaaaaaaaahnsinn!!"

CALT/GRAFFITY (in the note "LNinja+9"):
"Nice wares from G*P. I'd like to ask
you sumthing: If ya meet SCRAP in da
street then tell him that not TRIUMWYRAT
is the best Hungrian demogroup but it's
GRAFFITY! Or he hasn't got our megademo
called "JUSTINCASE"??? It would change
his mind!!! That's all what I wanted to
say. Send soon and stay cool!"

SCRAP DID SEE "JUSTINCASE". IT DID NOT
CHANGE HIS MIND. HOWEVER,DID YOU SEE THE
DEMO "PARALYZED BYTES" BY THE FACES?
IF NOT TRIUMWYRAT,THEN FACES ARE THE #1
DEMO-GROUP IN HUNGARY.

EXTREMIST/EMPIRE (on the phone):
"PROPAGANDA? Man,it's soooooo cool!!
That really kicks! ...I was so tired
of MAMBA."

VENGEANCE/AMAZON:
"Ok,hi guyz ok I just read issue #2 of
your mag,ok nice shit but of course
therez consistant slagging about
Australia,well I'm not pissed off at
that at all! Most Australians would be,
but not me. I agree with the review of
the TDU Demo and about most of the stuff
you guyz said! BUT I don't agree about
all Australian demos being LAME!
(or should be banned!). now if you wanna
see sum Australian stuff that isn't lame
I'll send you the AMAZON megademo when
its released and then see what you
think! also I read sum mags you got,you
recived VANDALISM NEWS #3 and you had a
comment at the end saying 4 news you
should read R'N'R or our mag right?
Well I agree but Do you really expect
Australians to have the tops on news?

Well we don't we are the last in the
world to get it! This is why! So people
Think oz is LAME BULLSHIT! If Australia
took 1-2 Days to mail to we would be the
fastest in the world on news and
spreading! So VANDALISM NEWS would Then
be almost #1 Mag I Think! but seeings
its not being made anymore and thats a
story I'll tell in a Minute,that doesn't
matter! Right help me to make our new
mag really COOL! and I'll help you to
Make PROPAGANDA-The best on news! I'll
send you all the Latest Aussienews once
aa week so you have our news about whats
going on over here and then you will
have all news about the scene fast! and
you send me sum latest news from germany
and the rest of europe to help Australia
get a better name 4 its self! I hope you
consider this! I'll also collect

Australian votes 4 you if ya want!
before I wrap a Question... in VANDALISM
#3 did you laugh at the anti-JADETIGER-
pic on da front?
...how come there are 2 Diffent copys of
PROPAGANDA #2? ones got the new G*P
intro and the other the anti-MAMBA
intro! funny anyway please spread the
AMAZON mag... R4T,and send soon..."

HELL! I THOUGHT YOU GUYS IN AUSTRALIA
SPEAK ENGLISH!? TRUE,YOU ARE THE LAST IN
THE WORLD TO GET ANY NEWS... SO,WHY THE
F**K DO YOU BOTHER MAKING A MAGAZINE??
YOU ONLY GET -AUSTRALIAN- NEWS QUICKLY.
BUT WHO WANTS TO READ ANYTHING ABOUT
UNKNOWN AUSTRALIANS?? ...NOT ME!

EXORY/HOLOCAUST (in a letter):
"Hi motherfucker!
Thanks for your nice words about my
comeback. However,i'd like to see the
vote-sheets that putted me into your
lamecharts,cause surely it isn't your
own opionion,right? Naaah- ofcourse not!
Well,enjoy the note fuckhead.
Greet from: Megaboozer/Navy Seals
(ex-you-know-who-anyway!)"

EXORY,JUST SHUT UP AND GO HOME.

JERRY/TRIAD (in a letter):
"There was quite a lot of what was said
in PROPAGANDA #2 about charts that was
just right..."

VINCENT/WOW (in a letter):
"Yo! PROPAGANDAA seems to become a good
follower of SEX'N'CRIME! I'd like to
compare it to the German TV-magazine
"REPORT"! I always wonder why REPORT
(SEX'N'CRIME & PROPAGANDA aswell) are
the only and the first people finding
out scandals and interesting conflicts.
Either they have a colourful phantasy
or they cause the things they write
about!
But: one thing is cool: The music!
Good work,HJE!
Vincent; supporter of WOW!
P.S.: I guess you like slagging!
Am I right?"
P.P.S: On the other hand: if you would
stop slagging,your mag would have
been quite empty,eh?
However,I don't care!"

WELL,VINCENT,YOU DON'T CARE?
THEN WHY DO YOU SEND ME A LETTER?!

EXCELL/LEGEND (mail on MYSTIC CAVERN):
"Well,I must say that this INFINITY
(or whatever) sounds like a down right
idiot... Thanx for the info,best of luck
with the next REAL PROPAGANDA."

SKATER/CENSOR (mail on MYSTIC CAVERN):
"PROPAGANDA is really a good looking
magazine!"

WELL,IT DOES NOT ONLY LOOK GOOD...

MARKUS WIEDERSTEIN (on the phone):
"PROPAGANDA is the BEST magazine ever
made!! I looove that anti-MAMBA intro!!"

TACHYON/MEGA INDUSTRIES (Editor of the
magazine REMARK) in a letter:
"...about INFINITY... Your story about
him in the award ceremony was perfect
but had only one small mistake... He
doesn't live in Heerlen... He's a local
lamer around here as he lives in Blerick
a sub-town of Venlo. Thought you knew
that though...
You also should have heared (or seen)
that there also was a FAKE PROPAGANDA#2.
I heared at the Venlo-meeting last
Saturday,by COMMANDER of ROLE. He was
really pissed of as they used his name,
in his words: abused his name. I got me
a copy of it but I easily spotted a
difference which anyone should notice if
they know you personally. The amount of
text was too low. Ask anyone who knows
you,the average amount of text you write

in a letter,or in a magazine,especially
in the feedback chapter. Mostly three
times as much as the letter written to
you,looking at the fake issue,your
answers were even shorter than the
letters... Nope,they only could have
fooled some lamers who don't know any-
thing in my opinion. They even used your
crack-intro,probably failing to link the
real intro in front of it (By the way,
the anti-MAMBA intro was a great idea,
though a bit faulty executed,but try to
make a new one as it starts to bore me.
An anti-REMARK intro for example (Nah!)"

BOD/TALENT (on the phone):
"The loader-game is nice,the coding is
nice,the text is hummmmm... Too much
ragging on me."

DERBYSHIRE RAM/DOMINATORS (in a letter):
"Many thanks for the disks and letter,
very nice demo as usual. Yes I saw the
fake version of PROPAGANDA #2,you know,
I really feel more PITY than anger for
guys who stoop to those depths,they have
to be lacking in something. I would not
worry too much about the Federation
against you,it will only fizzle out as
they all have in the past,as always,
these things rear their ugly heads when
very little is around on the '64,it used
to be one bit demos,now it seems to be
slagging notes,most of which I reckon
are done simply to combat boredom.
I honestly don't know how or why 3DK and
JACK DANIELS were admitted into DOM...
...In my own opinion they are both lame.
The only real good thing about the group
is that finally DOGFRIEND is back on the

cracking scene,this takes a little
pressure away from us U.K. guys.
I still reckon all the big or better
known groups should somehow control
their lamer sections better than they
are doing at present,unfortunately most
groups have these guys who can do
nothing but stir up all the shit and
slag people off..."

DANNY/THE FORCE (in a letter):
"Again lately I recived a Disc from G*P
with some quality wares included PROPA-
GANDA one thing was a mistake to write
in your mag in the Charts Chapter the
way you guys in GP Treated other peoples
voters,I think it was wrong To write
such stuff about your VOTERS Charts
since anyone Can Vote what he thinks for
right,but thats up To you guys (ed.lets

See if ya'll add this to reaction part,
hope so)..."

BLABLABLA...

FRODE/MEGASTYLE (in a letter):
"The best with PROPAGANDA is the charts.
They seem to be the fairest charts in my
opinion. You should vote for the guy who
deserves it,not for the guy who does NOT
deserve it. You simply vote on the
"not-deserving-guy" because you have an
uncle who knows a man who has a son who
votes lame. You see? "Boy,I'm cool...
I vote like the rest!" Gee,that is lame!
The text in PROPAGANDA can sometimes be
too much non-objective in some sections.
But mostly,the text is good. I also like
the humor in the mag. Some mags say:
"If you don't agree 1OO% with us,then

you can fuck off,sucker,loser,jerk,
lamer,dickhead,etc." (Lame language!)
Instead of using only these mentioned
words,PROPAGANDA mixes the text with
humor... I like that very much!
I very often laugh when reading PROPA-
GANDA (both 1&2),not because of the text
is silly (which it isn't),but because of
the tricky words which are used by the
authors. About the intro: The idea is
super! Not more to say than that the
intro is very smooth (like the rest of
the mag),I don't know if I'd dare to say
that PROPAGANDA is the absolutely best
mag in the world,but PROPAGANDA is one
of the BEST. No doubt!"

BLITZ/PULSAR (in a letter):
"VIOLATOR 2 was AWESOME... PROPAGANDA is
cool,I like ya charts,coz while others

just comment on how others voted,you
have gone one step forward and simply
put forward your own ideas. I don't
agree with ya charts (LIGHT should be
Top Five),but I like your style and
boldness... Yo,why was there 2 issues
of PROPAGANDA #2 spread? Did INFUCKITY
spread it? Coz I seen 2 totally
different issues.
...Keep ASLIVE and the rest on the run!"

YANK/SOUND AND VISION (in issue #2 of
his magazine "NEWSFLASH"):
"The guy who 'made' PROPAGANDA #2 is the
infamous (ed.really most hated!!)
INFINITY of X-RATED!!! I think that you
are really the biggest Lamebrain who
ever walked around free at this
beautyful planet!!!! ...nobody is lamer
than INFINITY."

TCH/BRUTAL (in BRUTAL RECALL#7):
"...I have done some 'research' and I
came to the conclusion that there's not
a real living person called OMG. I think
it is just an invention of you dudes in
GENESIS*PROJECT... You (ANTICHRIST) do
all the writing for him as,you can see
this as a compliment,write so damn good,
just like OMG,and only a few people are
blessed with this!!! The way you write
your texts makes everybody think you are
right and they believe it all!!"

OH,THANK YOU. I'M FLATTERED.

L'TRIMM/CLIMAX (in TRASHNEWS #13):
"PROPAGANDA? They cheat and tell lies!"

TRASHNEWS? TRUE TRASH!
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Ymgve at 17:40, 18 June 2007