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		<title>Ymgve at 00:00, 29 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  reports:&lt;br /&gt;
  +-+-+-+-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  this month we didn't get any party-&lt;br /&gt;
  report as no interesting party was&lt;br /&gt;
  held. the monthly venlo-meeting is&lt;br /&gt;
  always the same anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
  the party-report from the horizon(?)-&lt;br /&gt;
  party sent to us by aaron/flt came&lt;br /&gt;
  too late !&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  instead of that we have announces for&lt;br /&gt;
  2 parties held in the following weeks&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                                    (+)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the shadows/megastyle/science 451/&lt;br /&gt;
      full force/contex amiga/boa &amp;amp;amp; mfi&lt;br /&gt;
      party will be held from the&lt;br /&gt;
  29th of june to the 1st july in the&lt;br /&gt;
  afternoon/evening.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the party-place is : bergen hallen&lt;br /&gt;
                       in bergen/norway&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the party is exclusively for the&lt;br /&gt;
  c64, the amiga and the archimedes.&lt;br /&gt;
  the party takes place in an icehockey&lt;br /&gt;
  hall, so there will be no space-&lt;br /&gt;
  problems.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  some catchwords about the party :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  -24 hours restaurant/snack bar&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  -guards in the hall to avoid stealing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  -3*4 metres video-screen&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  -a democompetition with many prices&lt;br /&gt;
   sponsored by a company&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  -lots of toilets/showers and even a&lt;br /&gt;
   sauna&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  -a huge hall only for sleeping&lt;br /&gt;
   (no beds!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  another note on the invitation :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  'please remember that this is a&lt;br /&gt;
   legal party, and that illegal&lt;br /&gt;
   copying is a crime' (ed.who cares ?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  for any kind of questions call one&lt;br /&gt;
  of these dudes :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  omega supreme - XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
  master jam    - XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
  price         - XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
  icj           - XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                                    (+)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  another party will be held in the&lt;br /&gt;
  eastern part of europe,in yugoslavia.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  party-address is :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
  XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
  XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
  XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  no invitation is needed !&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  the party will be organized by&lt;br /&gt;
  transcom.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  some facts about/around the party :&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  - time : saturday 4th to monday 13th&lt;br /&gt;
           in august '90&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  - standart of living is twice as&lt;br /&gt;
    cheaper than in eec.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  - party will take place in a big&lt;br /&gt;
    house nearby a lake.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  - piracy isn't prohibited by the&lt;br /&gt;
    yugoslavian law.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  now i will give you a little view&lt;br /&gt;
  into the amiga-scene...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  i am sure many of you already have&lt;br /&gt;
  an amiga or are even in a group.&lt;br /&gt;
  therefor i won't list all the groups&lt;br /&gt;
  etc.&lt;br /&gt;
  there are only some groups which&lt;br /&gt;
  releases about 80% of all the games&lt;br /&gt;
  first, these groups are quartex,&lt;br /&gt;
  paranoimia and vision factory.&lt;br /&gt;
  vf lost a little bit of his former&lt;br /&gt;
  strength as the cologne members quit.&lt;br /&gt;
  other good cracker-groups are oracle,&lt;br /&gt;
  paradox,mad and some others !&lt;br /&gt;
                                    (+)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  but the main topic of this article&lt;br /&gt;
  isn't the question of the best or&lt;br /&gt;
  worst, but the question for the&lt;br /&gt;
  sense of this scene.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  it's mainly money which stamps this&lt;br /&gt;
  scene as it's a question of money to&lt;br /&gt;
  get the games fast and to release&lt;br /&gt;
  first.&lt;br /&gt;
  so most of the groups invest a lot of&lt;br /&gt;
  money to get the games first, not&lt;br /&gt;
  only buying them in the shops, but&lt;br /&gt;
  they try to get them before the&lt;br /&gt;
  official release-date.&lt;br /&gt;
  but they don't need the money only&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  for that reason, but also a lot of&lt;br /&gt;
  other things have to be paid, for&lt;br /&gt;
  example the crackers :&lt;br /&gt;
  the best crackers earn a lot of&lt;br /&gt;
  money for a crack or monthly, so it's&lt;br /&gt;
  nothing special when a cracker&lt;br /&gt;
  doesn't really belong to a group,&lt;br /&gt;
  but to the group who is just paying&lt;br /&gt;
  for the work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  another point is that many first&lt;br /&gt;
  versions doesn't work! if you get a&lt;br /&gt;
  first version from a bbs it often&lt;br /&gt;
  doesn't work, because it's 'cracked'&lt;br /&gt;
  miserable. sometimes, when it depends&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  on only some hours if it's a first-&lt;br /&gt;
  release, the group uploads the game&lt;br /&gt;
  without removing the protection,&lt;br /&gt;
  and, the not working game stays on&lt;br /&gt;
  the bbs, as long as anybody takes&lt;br /&gt;
  this version and crackes it !&lt;br /&gt;
  in my opinion many guys aren't in&lt;br /&gt;
  that scene for fun, but for getting&lt;br /&gt;
  a lot of money as some guys of famous&lt;br /&gt;
  groups make up to 6000 dollars a&lt;br /&gt;
  month by selling stuff !&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  i know many people who quit the amiga&lt;br /&gt;
  scene because of these reasons and&lt;br /&gt;
  some of them returned to the c64!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  from my point of view there's really&lt;br /&gt;
  nothing attractive in the amiga-&lt;br /&gt;
  scene and although i like to play&lt;br /&gt;
  amiga-games i wouldn't join this&lt;br /&gt;
  'broken' scene...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
     if you have any kind of reports&lt;br /&gt;
   for us, send them to&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
       mamba staff&lt;br /&gt;
       XXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
       XXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
       XXXXXXXXXXXX&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                            -return it-&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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