Ymgve at 03:08, 20 January 2008

2008-01-20T03:08:30Z

Ymgve at 02:03, 20 January 2008

2008-01-20T02:03:50Z

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==Editorial==
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hi FOLKS!

welcome to the FIRST edition of a new
magazine we like to introduce to YOU!
it's not again one of these magazines
only delivering you scene news,charts
and all the crap. it's a mag about ALL
KINDS OF MUSIC,its business,record -
reviews and anything else we can offer
about it.

it is released monthly normally on the
first,this one was realeased on the 4th
november on the T.A.T party in inns-
bruck in austria
it's called : C O N D O M !

you can find also CHARTS in this mag,
for more information check out the
charts chapter.

next time also a LETTERS chapter will
be included.
(+: next ,-:previous page;space:exit)

the three editors of this magazine are

GNU

style.. hip-hop,rap,new age,hardcore

BAD CAT

style.. hardcore,thrash,metal,punk,mosh

ROUGH

style.. house,hip-hop,hardcore,punk

we are members of different groups but
this doesn't mean anything to the mag
as it is released under no groupname
but under a new software label called
TONE WARE.

we will test everything we can catch.
also things we don't like.

£
ratings system for everythings is
0-100%

our tests will be very SUBJECTIVE due
to the fact we dont like e.g. pop-music
so we would like to hear from you react
ions and your opinions or if you even
want your personal music tests

you can also send us your personal
tapes (you certainly get them back)

for requests,letter,charts...

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==Tourdates==
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TOUR DATES

well,this chapter features you the
date when your favourite BAND or
MUSICIAN shows up in your TOWN.

let's begin...

* abomination+pungent stench+master+
noise filter

17.11 (d)karlsruhe-durmersheim,lamm

* axxis+lovetrick

06.11 (d)hannover,capitol
07.11 (d)goettingen,outpost
08.11 (d)erfurt,musiccircus
09.11 (d)leipzig,musiccircus
11.11 (d)dresden,musiccircus
12.11 (d)saalfeld,stadthalle
17.11 (d)kiel,traumfabrik
19.11 (d)dortmund,blickpunktstudios
20.11 (d)fulda,jugendhaus

* bloodgood+creed

07.12 (d)hof-naila
08.12 (d)ennepetal
09.12 (d)esslingen
11.12 (d)berlin
13.12 (d)hamburg

* CINDERLLA+SLAUGHTER

22.01 (d)offenbach,stadthalle
23.01 (d)hannover,music hall
24.01 (d)hamburg,docks
27.01 (d)berlin,metropol
28.01 (d)osnabrueck,halle gartlage
29.01 (d)bonn,biskuithalle
31.01 (d)ludwigshafen,eberthalle
01.02 (d)neumarkt,jurahalle
03.02 (d)ludwigsburg,forum
04.02 (d)muenchen,deutsches museum

* jingo de lunch

06.11 (d)bremen,modernes

* blue cheer

07.11 (a)linz,posthof
08.11 (a)wien,rockhaus
09.11 (a)hohenems,konkret
10.11 (ch)fribourg,fri son
17.11 (ch)luzern,sedel
28.11 (d)heidelberg,schwimmbad
29.11 (d)fulda,kreuzsaal
30.11 (d)villingen-s,kienzlehalle

* ballroom blitz

14.11 (d)bad worrishof,u2
15.11 (d)muenchen,twighlight
16.11 (d)wiesbaden,ROUGH club
17.11 (d)mainz,hdj
19.11 (d)koeln,starclub
20.11 (d)koeln,ekkberg's club

* gan's&garnet+black bembel blues band

15.12 (d)offenbach,f 63

* IRON MAIDEN+special guest ANTHRAX
08.11 (n)oslo,drammenshalln
09.11 (s)gothenburg,scandinavium
10.11 (s)stockholm,isstadion
12.11 (sf)helsinki,ishalln
15.11 (d)berlin,deutschlandhalle
17.11 (h)budapest,sporthalle
23.11 (d)saarbruecken,saarlandhalle
24.11 (ch)bern,festhalle
25.11 (i)firenze,palasport
26.11 (i)rome,palaeur
28.11 (i)milan,sport palace forum
29.11 (i)turin,palasport
30.11 (i)treviso,palasport
01.12 (i)bolzano,palasport
03.12 (d)muenchen,sedelmayerhalle
04.12 (d)stuttgart,sleyerhalle
05.12 (d)carl-diem halle
07.12 (d)bremen,stadthalle
08.12 (d)hannover,eilenriedehalle
11.12 (gb)edinburgh,exhibition+tradec.
14+15.12 (gb)birmingham,nec
17+18.12 (gb)london,wembley arena
22.12 (d)frankfurt,festhalle

* saint vitus

06.11 (d)enger,forum
07.11 (d)hannover,bad
08.11 (d)hamburg,molotov
07.12 (d)berlin,festival

* LIVING COLOUR

06.11 (a)wien,metropol
08.11 (d)stuttgart,theaterhaus
09.11 (d)biberbach,k.o.m.a.music hall
11.11 (d)saarbruecken,fordgarage
12.11 (d)mannheim,alte feuerwache
13.11 (d)karlsruhe,festhalle durlach
14.11 (d)goettingen,outpost
15.11 (d)berlin,quartier
16.11 (d)halle,jugendklubhaus p.m.
18.11 (d)schwerin,halle am fernseht.
19.11 (d)hamburg,docks

* escape

17.11 (d)lautertal,festsaal

* QUEENRYCHE

18.11 (d)hamburg,grosse freiheit
19.11 (d)bonn,biskuithalle
22.11 (d)hannover,musichall
23.11 (d)neumarkt,jurahalle
24.11 (d)wertheim,main-tauber-halle
26.11 (d)muenche,theaterfabrik
27.11 (d)ludwigsburg,forum
02.12 (d)senden,gorki park

* monsters

10.11 (ch)effingen,schulhalle
11.11 (ch)zuerich,volkshaus
12.11 (a)innsbruck,stadtsaal
13.11 (a)wien,rock house
15.11 (d)regensburg,the factory
17.11 (d)buehne,alsterhalle
21.11 (d)burgebrach,steigerwaldhalle

* despair

30.11 (d)andernach,jz

* MUCKY PUP

06.11 (d)berlin,extasy
07.11 (a)linz,posthof
08.11 (a)wien,rock house
09.11 (a)hohenems,konkret
10.11 (d)stuttgart,jugendhaus anna
11.11 (d)oestringen
12.11 (d)koeln,rose club

* NEW MODEL ARMY+FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM

06.11 (d)hamburg,sporthalle
08.11 (d)mainz,rheingoldhalle
09.11 (d)appenweier,schwarzwaldhalle
10.11 (d)landshut,etsv halle
12.11 (d)ludwigshafen,ebert-halle
13.11 (d)kassel,stadthalle baunatal
14.11 (d)fuerth,stadthalle
15.11 (d)stuttgart,liederhalle

* shanghai'd guts

30.11 (d)wuppertal,hdj barmen

* KREATOR+death

29.11 (d)hamburg,docks
30.11 (d)berlin,neue welt
02.12 (d)bremen,aladin
03.12 (d)oberhausen,musikzirkus ruhr
04.12 (d)mainz,elzer hof
06.12 (d)fuerth,stadthalle
08.12 (d)osnabrueck,halle gartlage
09.12 (d)kassel,musiktheater
10.12 (d)stuttgart,longhorn
11.12 (d)voelklingen,sporthalle
12.12 (d)ludwigshafen,colloseum
13.12 (ch)winterthur,volkshaus
14.12 (ch)appenweier
17.12 (d)muenche,theaterfabrik
18.12 (a)wien,rock house

* DREAD ZEPPELIN

25.11 (d)frankfurt,batschkapp
26.11 (d)hamburg,docks
27.11 (d)berlin,metropol

* doughboys

19.11 (d)koeln,rose club
20.11 (d)dortmund,fzw
21.11 (d)hamburg,fabrik
22.11 (d)oldenburg,alhambra
23.11 (d)bielefeld,ajz
24.11 (d)berlin,extasy
25.11 (d)frankfurt,negativ
29.11 (d)muenchen,kulturstation

* SISTERS OF MERCY

12.11 (d)ludwigsburg,forum
16.11 (d)hamburg,docks
17.11 " "
18.11 " "
19.11 (d)berlin,eissporthalle
21.11 (d)duesseldorf,philipshalle

* heavy-metal&thrash festival
squealer+reaper+oppressor+panther

10.11 schwalmstadt,frantic

* demon&tredegar

06.11 (d)bremen,aladin
07.11 (d)detmold,hunky dory
08.11 (d)berlin,extasy
? (d)offenbach,f63

* kansas+NAZARETH+saga

06.11 (d)boeblingen,sporthalle
07.11 (d)fuerth,stadthalle
08.11 (d)offenbach,stadthalle
09.11 (d)muenchen,deutsches museum
10.11 (d)grossried,sporthalle
12.11 (d)berlin,eissporthalle
13.11 (d)lichtenfels,stadthalle
14.11 (d)mannheim,maimarkthalle
15.11 (d)hamburg,cch saal 3
16.11 (d)duesseldorf,philipshalle

* TEN YEARS AFTER

26.11 (d)hannover,musichall
27.11 (d)bremen,aladin
28.11 (d)siegen,siegerlandhalle
29.11 (d)deggendorf,stadthalle
30.11 (ch)zuerich,volkshaus
01.12 (d)augsburg,schwabenlandhalle
02.12 (d)bamberg,zentralsaal
03.12 (d)berlin,neue welt
04.12 (d)oberhausen,musiccircus ruhr
05.12 (d)heidelberg,stadthalle
06.12 (d)frankfurt,musichall
07.12 (d)kehl,stadthalle
09.12 (d)muenster,jovel
10.12 (d)goettingen,outpost

* resistors
16.11 (d)landshut,jugendzentrum

* rough silk
16.11 (d)hamburg,logo
17.11 (d)luebeck,riders cafe
08.12 (d)holzminden,jz
15.12 (d)sindelfingen,hdj

* sanctuary+fates warning+secrecy

06.11 (d)augsburg
07.11 (d)ludwigsburg
09.11 (d)berlin
10.11 (d)hamburg
11.11 (d)detmold
12.11 (d)bremen
14.11 (d)zwickau

* STEPPENWOLF

06.11 (d)tuttlingen,akzente
07.11 (d)stuttgart,longhorn
08.11 (d)bremen,aladin
10.11 (d)hamburg,grosse freiheit
11.11 (d)berlin,metropol
12.11 (d)goettingen,outpost
13.11 (d)senden,gorki park
15.11 (d)bamberg,zentralsaal
16.11 (d)neumarkt,jurahalle
17.11 (d)dortmund,blickpunkt

* SCORPIONS+winger

23.11 (b)bruessel,voorst national
25.11 (i)firenze,palasport
26.11 (i)roma,palast
29.11 (g)athen,palais des sports
05.12 (d)berlin,deutschlandhalle
08.12 (d)hamburg,sporthalle
09.12 (d)hamburg,sporthalle
13.12 (d)dortmund,westfahenhalle
17.12 (d)mannheim,maimarkthalle
20.12 (d)nuernberg,frankenhalle

* DANZIG

19.11 (d)hamburg,markthalle
20.11 (dk)kobenhavn,pumpehuset
22.11 (d)berlin,metropol
23.11 (d)duesseldorf,tor3
24.11 (nl)tilburg,noorderligt
25.11 (d)bremen,modernes
27.11 (d)frankfurt,volksbildungsheim
28.11 (d)stuttgart,longhorn

£
* JEFF HEALEY BAND

06.11 (s)goeteburg,concrethouse
07.11 (dk)kobenhavn,saga
09.11 (b)deinze,brielport
10.11 (gb)london,hammersmith odeon

* HERBERT GROENEMAYER

07.11 (d)frankfurt/festhalle
08.11 (d)koeln/sporthalle
09.11 (d)hannover/messehalle
11.11 (d)bremen/stadthalle
12.11 (d)bochum/ruhrlandhalle
14.11 (d)stuttgart/schleyerhalle
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==Charts==
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CHARTS ofcause we dont show you demo
-------- or cracker charts but normal

music charts ! in this edition you can
find the official dancefloor charts of
the month october and some lists of
our personal top 10's to show you what
we like...

in the next edition we will release
charts voted from you.
you should vote 4 top 5 singles and
top 5 lp which ever music you want!
if you want we will print your adver-
tisement for voting.

send your both top 5 to...

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX or to anyone of us!
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the offical dancefloor charts of 10/90

1.ENIGMA sadness part one
2.DNA la sereissima
3.THE GRID a beat called love
4.snap cult of snap
5.klf what time is love?
6.vanilla ice ice,ice baby
7.kid frost la raza
8.after one tom's diner rap
9.a trible call.bonitta applebum
10.splash i need rhythm
11.urban dance s.a deeper shade of s.
12.kmfdm more and faster
13.deee-lite groove is in the hea.
14.technotronic rockin' over the beat
15.dna tom's diner
16.en vogue hold on
17.pet shop b. so hard
18.technotronic megamix
19.johnny gill rockin you the right w
20.mc hammer pray

here come BAD CAT's alltime single
charts
1.METALLICA one
2.XENTRIX ghostbusters
3.SUICIDAL T. posessed to skate
4.misfits 20 eyes in my head
5.megadeth anarchy in the uk
6.die toten hosen azzuro
7.anthrax indians
8.faith no more epic
9.toy dolls nelly the elephant
10.dimple minds blau auf'm bau

and the actual single charts
1.SUICIDAL T. you can't bring me d.
2.MEGADETH holy wars the p.d.
3.ANTHRAX got the time
4.annihilator stone wall
5.tankard space beer
6.bad news bohemian rapsody
7.iron maiden holy smoke
8.ac/dc thunderstruck
9.exodus objection overruled
10.sodom ausgebombt
11.the great kat beethoven mush
-ROUGH's actual prefered singles....
1.NIAGARA ?
2.DAVE E.STEWART+SPI. love shines
3.FAITH NO MORE zombie eaters
4.suicidal tendencies u cant bring me
5.klf what time is lo.
6.enigma sadness part 1
7.vanilla ice ice,ice baby
8.gbh a fridge too far
9.dna la sereissima
10.sluts 2000 jahre sche.

-and my actual lp's...
1.FAITH NO MORE the real thing
2.COLD CUT what's that noise
3.BOOGIE DOWN PROD. blueprint of hip
4.suicidal tendencies light,camera,r.
5.nick cave the good son
6.gbh a fridge too far
7.dead kennedys in god we trust
8.depeche mode violator
9.testament souls of black
10.inspiral carpets life

£ now BAD CAT's alltime lp charts
1.SUICIDAL T. lights,camera,rev.
2.FAITH NO MORE the real thing
3.DIE TOTEN HOSEN auf dem kreuzug i.g.
4.anthrax among the living
5.megadeth rust in peace
6.metallica and justice for all
7.helloween walls of jericho
8.warlock triumph and agony
9.suicidal t. join the army
10.red hot chili p. mothers milk

actual lp charts
1.ANTHRAX persistence of time
2.MEGADETH rust in peace
3.SUICIDAL T. lights,camera,rev.
4.faith no more the real thing
5.doa + jelly b. last ? of the m.n.
6.annihilator never neverland
7.dimple minds durstige maenner
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==News==
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this one is the NEWS chapter we pre-
sent you the latest news about every
kind of music...

-next year in JANUARY there's gonna be
a big festival called ROCK IN RIO.
it lasts 10 days in a row. some ex-
amples of the groups being there are:
george michael,guns'n'roses,new kids
on the block,inxs,deee-lite,megadeth
lisa stansfield and lotsa more
(well doesnt seem to fit much!)

-whitney houston just released her NEW
LP ... no comment about this one!

-the ROLLING STONES are going to make
a music movie which will be started
in the cinemas next year.

-did you know that the old guys from
GRATEFUL DEAD played a special HALLO-
WEEN concert on 31/10

- this time the fight against stupid
RELIGION FANATICS soluted into an-
other victory for civilized art.

1.the headbangers from JUDAS PRIEST
have been declared free after they
were attacked by parents,whose both
children SUICIDED and the parents
claimed the reason of their death
was because they listened to metal
music esp.judas priest! fact was
that both boys were totally DRUNK
and very heavy DRUG-ADDICTED as they
commited suicide.also they were in
bad relationship to their parents +
so the judge decided to speak judas
priest FREE.the major label company
CBS was fined $40000,cause of "WITH-
HOLDING IMPORTANT EVIDENCES".they had
not found the original recording
tapes.(!)

2.next one is a process against the
2 LIFE CREW,one of our favourites,
which were attacked because they
FUCKED women live on stage and did
other so-called DIRTY things in
front of the audience. well,anyway
also this time they were DECLARED
FREE because the judge said that
rap music is FREE ART which cant
be banned in any way!
so they can go on producing their
cool songs,except the leader of 2
life called LUKE SKYYWALKER had to
change his name,because lucasfilm
accused him in case of the SIMILA-
RITY with the name of the well-
known 'starhero' in star wars

- the next release from the PET SHOP
BOYS lp will be a song called 'BE-
ING BORING'! guess whose 2 guys are
ment in the song! they declared this
on their own.

- PAUL SIMON released another folks
music lp! this time it's called
RHYTHMN OF THE SAINTS. bullshit,we
think!

- the have been rumors that the old
once splitted GOGO's will rejoin or
are already rebuilt.

- one of the biggest partys taking
place is the SATELITE JUKEBOX on MTV
there are partys all over europe and
mtv zooms to them.
some of the bands which make it worse
jason donovan,london beat,j.sommer-
ville,bananarama,a.m.m.

£
- AXL ROSE,vocalist of GUNS'N'ROSES was
arrested.he attacked his neighbor (who
knowes why) with a bottle.after a few
houres he was released again after
having payed $5000 bail.he'll have to
appear at court in l.a. on the 20th
of november for a final judgement.

- THE CURE brought out a new lp called
MIXED UP. as the name says it's a mix
of old shit + one new song.

- FAITH NO MORE were take off stage at
THE MONSTERS OF ROCK cause they said
bad things about other live acts at
this festival (aerosmith,poison).
who can take this ill ? anyway,they
where NOT banned from playing the next
days of the tour. mike patton,vocalist
stood calm and held himself back.

- sacred reich were included in a brawl.
they were beaten so they had to go to
hospital.

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==LP tests==
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this is the RECORD REVIEW chapter. in
the 1st edition some of the tested
SONGS might be a little bit old but we
decided to fullfill the mag with some
alltimefavourites,especially our per-
sonals...

the ratings system goes from 0 - 100%

(100% is superior of course)

in this issue the main reviewers are
BAD CAT'n ROUGH,because gnu is not here

so well,let's begin...

MEGADETH / holy wars

r:well,this is the first release from
their new album 'RUST IN PEACE'. norm-
ally i dont like those headbang songs
but this one really hits the spot!PURE
thrash! the text contains problems con-
cerning with the JIHAXDthe holy war of
the arabians! my rating.... 79%

b:i always was a megadeth-fan and this
one is one of megadeths BEST.the whole
lp is really good in old megadeth
quality ! my rating ..... 90%

all over: 85%

ANTHRAX / got the time

r:wowsa! wonder what?! the new anthrax
lp simply sounds partly like PUNK esp.
this damned cool song! it reminds me
of MISFITS. you remark also on the lp
that SCOTT IAN prefers rap-music. he's
the strange looking guy with the goat
beard.
rating... 82%

b:oh man ! evryone says that the new
anthrax lp in NOT so good(metal hammer)
but i think it's like all others a
SMASHER! 'got the time' really sounds
like misfits! reminds me of '20 eyes in
my head'! very good done! i don't agree
with rough: only this song.the others
really sound like anthrax ...THRASH
rating... 89%

all over 86%

FAITH NO MORE / the real thing lp

name... b: r:
from out of nowhere 85% 82%
epic 92% 94%
falling to pieces 89% 78%
surprise,you're dead! 80% 89%
zombie eaters 85% 96%
the real thing 79% 64%
underwater love 80% 81%
the morning after 70% 75%
woodpecker from mars 85% 84%

the allover ratings for the lp are...
r:this lp is one of the BEST released
ever! so if YOU are so lame and you do
not have it yet,jump into the next re-
cord shop and BUY IT! rating... 93%
b:that's the lp that put faith no more
to the top! and they deserved it!
'epic' came in the top ten and this
says it all!
rating... 89%
all over 91%
£
DEUTSCH PUNK / kampflieder / sampler!
b r
slime/deutschland muss sterben 75% 82%
slime/stoertebecker 75% 40%
notdurft/schlag zurueck 45% 58%
daily terror/99 stunden 62% 74%
toxoplasma/1981 70% 75%
toxoplasma/teenager frust 50% 43%
canal terror/tu was dir gefael. 60% 71%
canal terror/maximierung des g. 69% 65%
sluts/2000 jahre scheisse 72% 88%
sluts/ficken 46% 39%
toxoplasma/weltverbesserer 64% 56%
canal terror/abschuss 68% 72%
daily terror/todesschwadron 71% 74%
slime/polizei sa-ss 82% 79%
slime/bullenschweine 69% 61%

well,nobody should feel attacked it's
just music like everything else except
it's on the index.

bad cat.65% rough.70% all...68%
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==Adds==
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this time in adds i want to show ya my
and gnu's address.send to me for any
things concerning the mag.you'll also
find some credits in this one.

bad cat/duel also contact
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX address for
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX swapping.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX vote your top5.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX include your addy

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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£
credits:
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all code+linking : BAD CAT
music : MOON/FLASH
chars : ?
well done logo : GNU

editors of this issue :

BAD CAT , ROUGH , GNU

we thank : MTV,METAL HAMMER for info

released by TONE WARE on 4/11/1990

PS:send letter about what you thing
about this project,any kinds o'advice
and for your votings.who votes will
get his address released in adds

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==Special Reports==
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welcum to da SPECIAL REPORT chapter...

this time we dont have too much for
dis one because we had no time to fix
more...

anyway i will tell you a report about
a group called BLOEDELOT which played
last time on a local place...

like i always i went with my friends
to the town where those dudz played.
most guys told me that it's gonna be
pure bullshit INDEPENDANT,but anyway
we dont care... entry was cheap (with
membership-card even cheaper!) and so
we went in.well i first met lotsa
friends and talked to'em. MIKEY and me
emptied a redwine-bottle,which tasted
awful but ya got a nice feeling.
then at about 9 o'clock they started to
play.it was a surprise that there was
a band in the world which doesnt start

£
with 3-4 hours delay.and let me tell u
something...damned cool! those guys
acted a cool mixture of independent +
hardcore. VERY LOUD AND GROOVY. goil!
most people didnt like it too well e.g.
a friend called maya said that it
sounded TOO MELODYLESS ! no rhythm!
later on mikey came back from a trip
to another meeting and he told me that
sum suckers have beaten him up! 4 guys
againt one! shit!
BAD CAT and GNU were not there so i
can only tell you my own opinion.
anyway we went on too booze around a
bit and all in all it was a nice gig.

if you are a fan of hardcore or indy
YOU CAN ORDER a demo-tape from those
guys under the well-known address if u
send us an empty c60 cassette + 1dm
stamps.
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==Previews==
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just to tell you what will happen in
the NEXT edition we invented this
chapter...

so...

1.your letters will be printed of coz.

2.gonna see sum nice music swap adds

3.charts should be in there

4.a report from a real concert not a
little gig like this time.

5.some latest dancefloor music scene
news,which we couldnt afford to in-
clude this time coz we simply for-
got it.ahem!

£
so anybody outthere here's again the

address you gonna send your requests

votes,tapes....

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

this programm is full public domain.
everybody is allowed to copy it.ripp-
ing or changing strictly forbidden!
it's not under any group label like
vision,duel or anything else.

(C) 1990 TONE WARE LTD.
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