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		<title>Ymgve at 00:51, 19 June 2007</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
         &amp;quot;about votes'n'charts&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                 part 2&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
              by tch/brutal&lt;br /&gt;
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yohoho!  this chapter seems to be read&lt;br /&gt;
  by quite some guys as i've recieved&lt;br /&gt;
  several reactions and other things to&lt;br /&gt;
  my lines in issue #9!!&lt;br /&gt;
  here's the first reaction from one of&lt;br /&gt;
  the 'internal' editors: einstein/wow!!&lt;br /&gt;
  the text i've printed here is a little&lt;br /&gt;
  part of a larger text..&lt;br /&gt;
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...my idea of the country-votesheet was&lt;br /&gt;
  not completed yet... you could say it&lt;br /&gt;
  is some kind of a study... what i mean&lt;br /&gt;
  is that it could become part of the&lt;br /&gt;
  charts! we (wow) have already spread a&lt;br /&gt;
         country and normal votesheet&lt;br /&gt;
      '8 together in order to get the&lt;br /&gt;
  9*+,-.   best results as possible...&lt;br /&gt;
  /0123458 i know what you mean with a&lt;br /&gt;
  6789:  ; lack of guys..also alex/rush&lt;br /&gt;
    &amp;amp;lt;   =&amp;amp;gt; (czech) said the same...  but&lt;br /&gt;
    ?  _AB i think the old system is&lt;br /&gt;
    CDEFGH even worse.. anyhow,if there&lt;br /&gt;
           are pe.not enough gfx,.. in&lt;br /&gt;
  a certain country,you simply don't&lt;br /&gt;
  vote for that subject!&lt;br /&gt;
  and you won't have a problem with the&lt;br /&gt;
  rest of the world because you have to&lt;br /&gt;
  spread the country and the normal vote&lt;br /&gt;
  sheet together!  then,and only then,&lt;br /&gt;
  you could reach the ultimate result!!&lt;br /&gt;
  (or was it seduction??)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    Ü !     Ü !     Ü !     Ü !     Ü !&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'&lt;br /&gt;
 ()*+,-  ()*+,-  ()*+,-  ()*+,-  ()*+,-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
before i react on this,i'll first print&lt;br /&gt;
  another reaction which also reached me&lt;br /&gt;
  concerning this matter...&lt;br /&gt;
  it was written by the freak/rebels!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
    Ü !     Ü !     Ü !     Ü !     Ü !&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'  &amp;quot;#$%&amp;amp;amp;'&lt;br /&gt;
 ()*+,-  ()*+,-  ()*+,-  ()*+,-  ()*+,-&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
facts is that every magazine publishes&lt;br /&gt;
  it's own votesheets and charts,and&lt;br /&gt;
  everybody should know that none of&lt;br /&gt;
  them are really objective.  therfore i&lt;br /&gt;
  wonder whether the scene,i.e. we do&lt;br /&gt;
  really want objective and unbiased&lt;br /&gt;
  charts? i for myself,and i'm certainly&lt;br /&gt;
  not alone with this request,want to&lt;br /&gt;
  see objective and uncheated charts..&lt;br /&gt;
  the idea with the country-votes was a&lt;br /&gt;
  first step towards this direction.&lt;br /&gt;
  therefore,i have worked out a new&lt;br /&gt;
  suggestion which,however,requires lots&lt;br /&gt;
  of tolerance and cooperation by each&lt;br /&gt;
  group publishing a magazine..&lt;br /&gt;
  i suggest to proceed as      IJKLMNO&lt;br /&gt;
  follows;                     PQRSQTU&lt;br /&gt;
  each group continues to send QQVWQQX&lt;br /&gt;
  out its votesheets to its    YZUÅÄÓÖ&lt;br /&gt;
  contacts but the voters do   Ü U!&amp;quot;#U&lt;br /&gt;
  not return their votesheets  $%&amp;amp;amp; $%&amp;amp;amp;&lt;br /&gt;
  to the magazines,but to a&lt;br /&gt;
  central place where all the votesheets&lt;br /&gt;
  are collected (somewhere in europe)&lt;br /&gt;
  and this central place is ofcourse&lt;br /&gt;
  neutral,i.e. it does not participate&lt;br /&gt;
  in any voting and does not publish a&lt;br /&gt;
  mag. this central place evaluates the&lt;br /&gt;
  votesheets and distributes the results&lt;br /&gt;
  to all magazines. afterwards,the vote-&lt;br /&gt;
  sheets will be returned to the groups&lt;br /&gt;
  so that they know who has filled out&lt;br /&gt;
  their votesheets,for publication of&lt;br /&gt;
  the addresses,etc...&lt;br /&gt;
  ofcourse,it would also be possible to&lt;br /&gt;
  organize a central place for each&lt;br /&gt;
  individual country like it is for the&lt;br /&gt;
  social-music charts of the european&lt;br /&gt;
  countries,and a superior place will&lt;br /&gt;
  then publish all euro charts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i really wonder if we all together will&lt;br /&gt;
  be able to achieve something difficult&lt;br /&gt;
  but worthwhile. this would really be a&lt;br /&gt;
  good achievement. to program a demo or&lt;br /&gt;
  to crack a game is something which can&lt;br /&gt;
  be achieved by everyone with some&lt;br /&gt;
  efforts!!&lt;br /&gt;
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okay,reactions time!!&lt;br /&gt;
  as i allready wrote in the ninth issue&lt;br /&gt;
  i am no supporter of the countrysystem&lt;br /&gt;
  as it is simply not fair to use some&lt;br /&gt;
  system like that!  i don't know how&lt;br /&gt;
  big for instance the czechoslovacian&lt;br /&gt;
  scene is,but i don't expect it to be&lt;br /&gt;
  over 15 guys big!!&lt;br /&gt;
  and what if only 1 of those guys is&lt;br /&gt;
  really good at drawing..&lt;br /&gt;
  you then shouldn't vote for him as he&lt;br /&gt;
  will be the only name in the list?!?&lt;br /&gt;
  really fair to this guy which tries to&lt;br /&gt;
  do so well!!&lt;br /&gt;
  the idea brought to you by the freak,&lt;br /&gt;
  may look like a really good idea and&lt;br /&gt;
  it is for sure better than the other&lt;br /&gt;
  one... but also here there are some&lt;br /&gt;
  minor problems!!&lt;br /&gt;
  who is crazy enough to count everyones&lt;br /&gt;
  votesheet for nothing?!?&lt;br /&gt;
  okay,this problem is not that hard to&lt;br /&gt;
  be solved,but what about this one..&lt;br /&gt;
  is there one special date when all&lt;br /&gt;
  magazines get released?&lt;br /&gt;
  nope,there isn't!!  so how can you&lt;br /&gt;
  ever make 'fair' charts if every mag&lt;br /&gt;
  needs it on another day!!&lt;br /&gt;
  it's ofcourse possible to release all&lt;br /&gt;
  mags at the same day,but will that be&lt;br /&gt;
  cool or what? i know for sure that a&lt;br /&gt;
  lot of mags will stop because they&lt;br /&gt;
  won't get read anymore,or they won't&lt;br /&gt;
  get spread anymore due to an overdosis&lt;br /&gt;
  of magazines at one small period!!&lt;br /&gt;
  and every mag will almost look the&lt;br /&gt;
  same as the charts will be identical&lt;br /&gt;
  everywhere!!&lt;br /&gt;
  and what if someone fills a votesheet&lt;br /&gt;
  for every mag??  this guy will get&lt;br /&gt;
  enormous influence on the final result&lt;br /&gt;
  and that's not what we want,is it!?&lt;br /&gt;
  you'll return all votesheets to every&lt;br /&gt;
  magazine so they can publish the&lt;br /&gt;
  advert and other things...  what if a&lt;br /&gt;
  votesheet gets lost somewhere?!?&lt;br /&gt;
  the guy,who's votesheet got lost might&lt;br /&gt;
  never fill a sheet for that mag again!&lt;br /&gt;
  this is bound to happen if you arrange&lt;br /&gt;
  something like that!!&lt;br /&gt;
  maybe this idea has something incommen&lt;br /&gt;
  to the communistic thoughts!!&lt;br /&gt;
  it is the best idea to create the very&lt;br /&gt;
  ultimate magazine,but it can't work in&lt;br /&gt;
  this community with individualism!!&lt;br /&gt;
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and that's all there was to say about&lt;br /&gt;
  the votesheet-systems for this time!&lt;br /&gt;
  i'll now write some lines about the&lt;br /&gt;
  'single cracker'-charts...&lt;br /&gt;
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nowadays,you see mostly the same guys in&lt;br /&gt;
  these charts:powerplant,doc,bod etc..&lt;br /&gt;
  but there are more('n better) good&lt;br /&gt;
  crackers nowadays!!!&lt;br /&gt;
  it is really tough to break through in&lt;br /&gt;
  these charts as hardly anyone really&lt;br /&gt;
  compares the cracks,now that the&lt;br /&gt;
  'gamers guide' is still not back!!&lt;br /&gt;
  but what makes crackers good or better&lt;br /&gt;
  than the others?!?&lt;br /&gt;
  is it the speed or the abilities?!?&lt;br /&gt;
  if we check the lists you'll always&lt;br /&gt;
  see the ones of groups with lots of&lt;br /&gt;
  first-releases topping the chart!!&lt;br /&gt;
  so it seems quite obvious that it does&lt;br /&gt;
  not really matter how good you are,as&lt;br /&gt;
  long as you're fast!!!&lt;br /&gt;
  this is in my opinion pretty lame!!&lt;br /&gt;
  what does 'best cracker' mean to you?&lt;br /&gt;
  to me it means the guy who did the&lt;br /&gt;
  best version of several games released&lt;br /&gt;
  lately!!  and mostly the first-release&lt;br /&gt;
  guys don't spend an awfull lot of time&lt;br /&gt;
  on training,shortening and other stuff&lt;br /&gt;
  as it has to be done fast,before any&lt;br /&gt;
  other guy released it!!&lt;br /&gt;
  so therefore i think speed-crackers&lt;br /&gt;
  are not always that good as the chart&lt;br /&gt;
  may say he is!!&lt;br /&gt;
  recently there was this game called&lt;br /&gt;
  &amp;quot;potsworth&amp;quot; from hi-tec..&lt;br /&gt;
  lots of guys cracked it and also lots&lt;br /&gt;
  of guys that are in the cracker-charts&lt;br /&gt;
  released it!!&lt;br /&gt;
  but almost everyone kept the picture&lt;br /&gt;
  in the main-file!!&lt;br /&gt;
  yes! there's a picture in the original&lt;br /&gt;
  tape-version! (spread by genesis!)&lt;br /&gt;
  it is located at $4000-$6400!!&lt;br /&gt;
  if you cracked this game,you better&lt;br /&gt;
  load your version and go to the game&lt;br /&gt;
  title screen,reset and then simply&lt;br /&gt;
  enter these pokes in basic;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
              poke53265,69&lt;br /&gt;
              poke53270,24&lt;br /&gt;
              poke53272,128&lt;br /&gt;
              poke56576,150&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  and if you see a,partly bugged,picture&lt;br /&gt;
  you know you did a lousy job!!&lt;br /&gt;
  this is not ment to slag everybody&lt;br /&gt;
  down who was stupid enough to overlook&lt;br /&gt;
  this picture,but simply ment to show&lt;br /&gt;
  you who is worth to be called a good&lt;br /&gt;
  single cracker and to show who just&lt;br /&gt;
  pretend to be good,or to live on the&lt;br /&gt;
  reputation on being fast!!&lt;br /&gt;
  i'll just give 3 names of guys which i&lt;br /&gt;
  think should atleast be in the top 5&lt;br /&gt;
  of 'single crackers': ignorance&lt;br /&gt;
                        chrysagon&lt;br /&gt;
                        crush&lt;br /&gt;
  if one of these guys cracks a game,it&lt;br /&gt;
  is for sure a high quality version!!&lt;br /&gt;
  unfortunately they are mostly hanging&lt;br /&gt;
  somewhere aound place 10...&lt;br /&gt;
  i think this really is bad!! why is it&lt;br /&gt;
  that speedies rule,when their versions&lt;br /&gt;
  are hardly of any quality!!&lt;br /&gt;
  there are ofcourse exceptions,but this&lt;br /&gt;
  is mostly what happens!!&lt;br /&gt;
  therefore i hope that the gamers-guide&lt;br /&gt;
  will be back,or that someone else&lt;br /&gt;
  could compare all versions and make a&lt;br /&gt;
  list of all games,with the version&lt;br /&gt;
  that was best mentioned with it!&lt;br /&gt;
  so not that every version will be&lt;br /&gt;
  printed,just the ruling one!!&lt;br /&gt;
  if you think this is a good idea,then&lt;br /&gt;
  please let me know!!!&lt;br /&gt;
  please read the opinion-poll to see&lt;br /&gt;
  what kind of a system i developed to&lt;br /&gt;
  make the best version!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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and that's all for this chapter as i've&lt;br /&gt;
  said all there was to say!!&lt;br /&gt;
  if you have any reactions then please&lt;br /&gt;
  send a letter to this address..&lt;br /&gt;
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